Jonathan H. B. Lobl
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On 10/11/2021 at 7:03 AM, RevBogovac said:
Nope. Nothing to add... quite self-explanatory. Just that I like the idea and it's great for some peace fo mind. Thank you!
I like the word. It fills a need. It's a small need, but a need. When I don't want to argue about belief or knowledge.
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This thread on Apatheism has gone cold. Does anybody wish to add anything?
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They change the night into day: the light is short because of darkness.
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He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.
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They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.
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a land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.
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Temple Madness
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49 minutes ago, damnthing said:
ϱod people are silly
I'm going to split a few hairs with you over this. Their ideas are silly. The people themselves are deeply conditioned. Deep conditioning is not silly. It's what happens when a religious culture can't tell the difference between symbolic representations of reality -- and reality.
If people want to spend their days, working out the hidden mathematics of Bible Hebrew -- it's their time to waste. Well, that's a little harsh. If it makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody needs a hobby.
Ave Satanus.
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21 hours ago, TempleKeeper said:
As I said, "https://grimoireofmanuelthescribe.blogspot.com/2021/09/if-kirby-j-hensley-was-referred-to-as.html". There is no seeking a following or any such thing - its entire purpose is to awaken the human intellect to an information paradox that resides in the text. All instructions are included - you can choose to do the experiment for yourself (which is best) or follow the directions I give you on my website after you read the blog. That is located at: "https://www.colunga-hernandez.com" And no.., it is gratis. And keep in mind this is only the surface of a very large Black Hole. It starts with Mathematics, doesn't everything?
I followed your link. This blend of Scripture, Kabbalah, Tarot, gematria and physics is not proof of anything. Alright. You believe. I don't argue with what people believe. It is not in any way objective proof for God's existence. Something which you did not define. In any event, this esoteric soup is not evidence.
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That's it then. So many come to this board to preach some message or other, then wander off. Some come here looking for a following. Some just do drive by preaching. Good riddance to them.
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49 minutes ago, TempleKeeper said:
Hello, My name is Manuel, I have worked now almost 25 years with the Biblical Hebrew text of the Torah and other books in relation to those studies in the Tanach. The reason I am writing this is in reply to this article and its pronouncements. I think I have something that needs to be said: Yes. There is a 'God'. And there is practical repeatable by experiment, proof of that depending on whether a person is given the proper knowledge of how to produce it. The book of Daniel tells of a time when what 'Daniel' (which I hold were a group of the High Priesthood of Israel) hid away by his 'closing the words and sealing the Book' would come to be again known. That something is only left to us in clues, in old Sage writings and Books of what are considered legend; The Zohar in particular the Book of Concealment (Sifra di'Tznu-ita), Sefer Yetzirah, even the Talmud. There are symbols given in these books. Symbolic image sets that speak enigmatically to some deep teaching supposedly. What they really are none can tell you that lives. NOT ONE. Because of the actions to close the words and seal the Book. The Book is not the book of Daniel it is the Chumash, the Five Books of Moses - which are actually one book, when properly exhibited it reveals a running set of images within its corpus. A complete set of the Zodiac, the Tarot, and legends woven in geometries of letter formations that form images. I was hoping to post my paper as an offering to the ULC for my final. It is too big to post, so I can only tell you I have a BLOG that I just posted my Thesis to, if any want to know where to find it feel free to ask. BUT in closing let me say, a book of pictures yes, and more. In my time with the text I have come to find it is actually a log of main events in human history stretching from the past to our day for sure. You might consider me crazy, but consider this: "Thou, o Daniel close up the words, and seal the Book, until the time of the end; when many shall run to and fro, and knowing shall be increased." - note he didn't say who or how only it would be opened in a time when many run to and fro and knowing would be increased. I can tell you from my point of view this is that time; and why I believe it shows a proof is rather simple: Tell me, WHO knew the line of Time in 1500 B.C.E., that ran from the past to our day and could put it encoded into letters in a text that was collated over a period of 65 years or more? Humans may have collated and collected and spoken the stories that were scribed in Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy - and they rewrote and edited it all over the place as well - but I can tell you the Mind that put all the information in the text: THAT is not human. So Who was it?
Do you have anything to offer beside bald assertions; unsupported by anything?
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3 hours ago, cuchulain said:
You often remind me of Dr Jubal Harshaw from "stranger in a strange land". This is a good thing btw
It's a sad thing to be a moderate. We end up being hated by all the extremists. This much I have figured out. If we are not all free to be our selves, then we are all in danger. The pendulum swings. The wheel turns. Power shifts.
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1 hour ago, damnthing said:
More babble from the bibble. Anyone who quotes from the bibble as if to prove a point clearly suffers from some form of mental illness. It would be like quoting from Harry Potter and referencing all the other Harry Potter books as additional proof. Why do we suffer the weak-minded?
I am a poor, miserable choice to be an advocate for the religious. Still, as the saying goes -- there comes a time when we must set aside our values and do what's right.
The manuals of mental disorder do not list religion or religious belief. No. Religious belief is not a form of mental illness. I shouldn't have to say this. History is filled with highly intelligent, brilliant minds that were -- are -- deeply religious. I've met a few of them. Being religious is not the same as being weak minded. For that matter, I used to be religious. I think my understanding of such things has improved. In truth, I'm not actually smarter than I was then.
We have such a small planet. We have to find ways to share it and live with each other. That includes living with disagreement.
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Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.
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Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:
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4 hours ago, Dan56 said:
Excuse me, but who quoted 2 bible verses in the first post of this thread? In fact, you quoted a total of 5, while I quoted 2.
A case of the pot calling the kettle black.
I enjoy Bible symbolism in the same way that I enjoy poetry. I do not confuse Bible symbolism for reality. I do not use Bible symbolism to explain reality. That is because Bible symbolism is not reality. I take a statement like -- God is Light -- or -- God is Love -- to be symbolic statements. These symbolic statements have nothing to do with reality.
Your confusion stems from the fact that you disdain distinctions. You have been clear on that, these many years.
Yes, I have quoted passages about Light as a symbol for God. That is the point of this thread. Symbolic representation of God. Not the actual existence of God. Small wonder that you were confused.
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7 hours ago, Pete said:
I get enlightenment used as a term for wisdom revealed but that has no support to a plants photosynthesis.
Do you really want to argue with Dan's beliefs?
You know he's only going to throw more Bible Scripture at you.
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4 hours ago, RevBogovac said:
Just a little side note (though still on topic). Fun for a bit of "light" reading (pun intended) and says (again) more about people than about any (real or perceived) deity: Nightfall — by Isaac Asimov.
I read it years ago. Great stuff.
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1 hour ago, Pete said:
I have no criticism about your views Jonathan. In fact I respect them.
It was just the statement "is god light?"
It seems we are trying to discuss the characteristics of an unsubstantiated concept that has no physical evidence to prove its existence.
We must first prove God before we can describe character. Otherwise it is similar to debating does a vacuum have consciousness.
We must first define God. This is one reason that I've lost my taste for religious arguments. What does it really count for, when I define the God that I don't believe in? Trying to prove or disprove an undefined God is futile. Still the arguments wage on. So much heat. So little light. No pun intended.
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17 minutes ago, Pete said:
Is god light. Is god real. What do we really know first hand about god that you were not taught to think. How can we test that god is light?
If you really want to do this. Alright. Small bites and strictly my own Agnostic opinion.
Is God real? I want to be clear on the meaning of real. Something is real when it has independent, objective, existence. Is God real? We have no objective, verifiable facts about God. Nothing at all. God could be real. We have no good reason to suppose that this is so. In my opinion, God is a fantasy. Or a personification. I don't want to make those distinctions now. Later, if you like.
Is God Light? No. This is confusing a symbolic representation with reality. Light is real. Light is a symbolic representation of God, which is not real. As symbolism for God goes; Light is a lot more sophisticated than an old man in the sky.
Thanks to physics, we actually know a lot about Light. Is Light a particle or a wave? The correct answer is "Yes."
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21 minutes ago, Pete said:
Genesis makes no sense. The day and night and the vegetation were made before the sun and moon. Without the sun there is no day. it is the rotation of the earth in relationship to the sun that creates a day. Plants need the sun in order to grow but they flourished on the third day and sun was made on the fourth day. This is just poetic nonsense.
You want Genesis to make sense?
Let's have a look.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.The Earth is a six day construction project. The stars -- the rest of the Universe -- were an after thought. "He made the stars also." Galaxies beyond counting. Billions of light years away. Billions of stars in the galaxies. "He made the stars also."For that matter, the Moon is not a light. It reflects the Sun's light. Then again, light does not need to be separated from darkness. That's not how it works.All of this is beside the point. When I started this thread, I was thinking about the symbolism of God as Light. That was the focus of my intent. It still is. I find Light symbolism interesting. Poetry. Not science.
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For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
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The Lighter Side of Covid Doomsday
Because we need a laugh
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Apa-theism: Not caring whether or not God exists
in Freethought, Secularism, No Religion
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I see that you are still averse to making distinctions. There are many things in life that are worthy of great passion. God is not one of them.
Apatheism is for people who are tired of silly and useless arguments about God's existence.
A God that cannot be demonstrated to exist is not worth arguing about. Even if that God actually exists. No more arguing about faith or belief. No more arguing about knowledge. It doesn't matter.
This is NOT "void of substance". It is an awakening.
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