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Counterfeit God - Same Name, Attributes, Rules

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Can a god be different from another if the name, attributes, etc. are the same, so people think it is the same god? I put this in the interfaith forum because it involves people worshiping a god of a different religion. A person would think he is worshiping one god, but is really worshiping another. If someone cannot tell the difference, would it really be the same god? Except if it is not?

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3 hours ago, zamber said:

If someone cannot tell the difference, would it really be the same god? Except if it is not? 

 

People often get confused, especially monotheist who believe there's one supreme being, so they might assume Allah and God are the same entity. But the devil is in the details, they are completely different Beings in name and attributes. Mohammad said to seek out and kill your enemies (infidels) where ever you find them (Quran 2:191), while Jesus taught to love and pray for your enemies (Matthew 5:44). Two  diametrically opposed messages.. So imo, the differences make it impossible to confuse the real deal with a counterfeit.

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8 hours ago, zamber said:

Can a god be different from another if the name, attributes, etc. are the same, so people think it is the same god? I put this in the interfaith forum because it involves people worshiping a god of a different religion. A person would think he is worshiping one god, but is really worshiping another. If someone cannot tell the difference, would it really be the same god? Except if it is not?

 

 

I'm not clear on what you are asking.  Are you presuming that  both gods exist -- and their followers can't tell the difference?  Is that what you're asking?

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I am asking, what if there are two gods with the same name and attributes, can they be two gods or are they the same god? What if one god impersonates another? What if another group of people create a false god that is a mirror image of a real one? Who are they worshiping then?

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2 hours ago, zamber said:

I am asking, what if there are two gods with the same name and attributes, can they be two gods or are they the same god? What if one god impersonates another? What if another group of people create a false god that is a mirror image of a real one? Who are they worshiping then?

 

 

If they both exist, a war god like Mars could impersonate YHVH.  Is that what You're asking?  

 

Or do you mean that two entities, known only as God could impersonate each other?  It's pure if, but why not?

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I vaguely remember a Gnostic story about a violently insane god who pretends to be the creator god. I never understood what he was supposed to be getting out of the ruse, but he was described as being insane, so I suppose that's a moot point...

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The question brings to mind a race of supposedly superior beings created for the Star Trek franchises, (starting on Next Generation, then to Voyager), and they referred to themselves only as "Q".

Now supposing there were such beings in existence, confusion might just be something of fun for them to create among us, you think?

Then again, it has also been said that Satan might impersonate God to lead some sheep astray. One explanation for this is that he was once called Lucifer, or morning star, and was a fallen angel. He was fallen because he thought himself an equal to God and had many of the same abilities before being cast out.

Many stories with as many plot points for possibilities if true.

In the end, no one will truly know which God was the true God until after they die, right?

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4 minutes ago, Key said:

The question brings to mind a race of supposedly superior beings created for the Star Trek franchises, (starting on Next Generation, then to Voyager), and they referred to themselves only as "Q".

Now supposing there were such beings in existence, confusion might just be something of fun for them to create among us, you think?

Then again, it has also been said that Satan might impersonate God to lead some sheep astray. One explanation for this is that he was once called Lucifer, or morning star, and was a fallen angel. He was fallen because he thought himself an equal to God and had many of the same abilities before being cast out.

Many stories with as many plot points for possibilities if true.

In the end, no one will truly know which God was the true God until after they die, right?

 

 

There are also the Satanic verses.  It seems that Mohamed decided, after the fact, that some of the verses he had been given had come from Satan.

 

 

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On 7/7/2018 at 7:22 AM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

 

There are also the Satanic verses.  It seems that Mohamed decided, after the fact, that some of the verses he had been given had come from Satan.

 

 

Which begs the question, why hasn't anyone considered how much that Mohamed proclaimed was actually lies from Satan, if he, himself, suspected some? (Actually. since I don't, nor ever have, follow Islamic history, so I don't really know if anyone ever questioned validity. But it doesn't seem like anyone has to me.)

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