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  1. I have been coming to this Forum (which I value highly) since 2003. I cannot recall ever seeing a single thread debating the merit of the overall message of Jesus. Sort of interesting to me that most the thoughts attributed to Christ are not much of an issue. Mostly the words seem to be fairly well regarded by all. So the majority of the debate between believers and slightly different believers.......between believers and nonbelievers......between the clergy and their congregations...between believers and the government.....between the message and the realities of application of that message lies elsewhere....not in the actual message. The greatest commandment (forsaking all other details) is; to love. If I as a non-Christian can respect the message as valid for all.... isn't it time at the start of this new year - to put away childish things as it were...and have unification that the vast majority of Christ-beleivers are no different than any other believers. They are trying to get it right. And like all of us - some have off days and some get confused and very few truly want to do anything more than walk their path with beauty? Is that an "amen" moment for all? Seems like it would be a good way to start the new year as an inclusive, respectful ULC Forum. There is so much wisdom here - what does it hurt to affirm all - especially the group I have noted over ten years to take a few undeserved lumps along the way. Von