Izmir Stinger

I think it's a movie, a work of fiction. Over analyzing it just takes away all the fun. Once you suspend your disbelief the next step is to imagine yourself in the fictional world. If George Lucas hasn't painted a vivid enough picture for you to be able to imagine being a Jedi or Sith Lord or Clone Commando then he has failed as a storyteller. For all their failings as films, episodes 4-6 included, George Lucas paints an amazing picture of a fascinating fantasy world. That is why these movies are such a cultural phenomenon.

So I am talking to a guy on another forum who read the book (novelization, whatever). Apparently in the book "Order 66" was a genetically encoded instruction. An integral part of the clones. They have no knowledge of it until executed, so it is super secret, right? In the movie there was nothing about this, it just seemed to be a secret military order known only to Palpatine and the clone commanders. This is consistent with what we learned about the clones in episode 2, they will follow any order unquestioningly. He thinks the genetic encoded order makes more sense and is more consistent with the Sith's emphasis on secrecy. I think it is stupid. Why is it necessary to genetically encode an important order into a soldier that is already going to obey any order anyway? Also, a giant preassembled army is going to be pretty complicated, especially for senators and jedi uncustomed to commanding armies. Wouldn't there be regular contact between the cloners and the jedi? Ya know, a help desk or something. Wouldn't this create the possibility that a Jedi could find out from a cloner. They were made out to be very greedy. Greedy aliens are bad people to have keep your secrets, especially ones other people may want to buy. A secret military order is superior in a number of respects. The cloners don't have to know about it. The clones know about it. Killing Jedi doesn't seem like a very easy thing to do, even by surprise. If I were a clone commander I'd want a chance to plan how to do it to maximize my chance of success. If ordered to keep it secret except from other clones, it is safer than if the cloners know. Sure, the cloners are few and the clones many, but the clones can be trusted implicitly. What do you guys think. If you were the Emperor what would you do?

It is, at the very least, the same model of ship. Alderanian freighter or light cruiser or some such. Possibly the same ship. A birthday present to Leia from daddy when she graduated high school. Or maybe she swiped it! First thing to go through her head when the Death Star destroys Alderan is, "At least now I won't have to explain to Daddy why I got pulled over by a Star Destroyer."

Lucas abandoned the idea of doing Star Wars in the style of a serial during the process of trying to pitch it to studios. He latter fufilled his desire to do a serial with the Indiana Jones films. As for the Episode count, I think it was always 9.

The lie was that Anikin killed her, not that she is dead. He needed to feed that hatred to complete Anikins conversion.Yeah, but is he runs into her at the mall next week that gig is up. I guess the fact that they showed her funeral was a givaway, but if she didn't die as a complication of childbirth, but from something else later, the vision could have been a false vision suplied by Sidious as a tool to play on his fears. Then Sidious could have killed her later, but Lucas would have showed that. Her cause of death is still a mystery. The medical droid didn't know what why she was dying. The obvious spelcuation is that she was like a lovebird that lost her mate, an icky little cliche, but whatever. If that is the case, Vader did kill her.

She died giving birth - just like the dreams said she would. We do. It was right after she named the kids. That wasn't very clear. Did I cough when the medical droid pronounced her dead? Lots of women fall asleep after giving birth to twins. All she did was close her eyes, that I could see. Obviously she would have to die some time soon, else Vader would discover the lie that his master used to finally break his spirt and let him give in to the dark side, and the will of the Emperor, completely.

The story outline was written in the 1970s. The people making those claims are grasping at straws.

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The other mystery was the fate of Luke and Leia's mother. And they didn't bother to cover that, which I liked, sorta. This is Anikan's story and he doesn't know the truth, why should we?

I just returned from a time long long ago in a galaxy thats distance from here is greatly exagerated. Well, I was right about one of the things that was still a mystery despite our prior knowledge of the story. R2-D2s memory was not erased. In episodes IV-VI he has full knowledge of his actions and what he witnessed during the Trade Federation and Clone Wars. And he is a pretty aggressive little rascal, isn't he?

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Roger Ebert has given Revenge of the Sith 3 and a half stars. This review contains spoilers as if we didn't know most of the plot elements already.

he does a weak deception in episode IV. While Han, Luke and Leia are in the trash, they are calling the droids in the security room. But the Stormtroopers are coming in. When the stormtroopers get in, seethreepio says something about "they're mad men.. etc.." dont' remember exactly.. been a few years for that movie.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But he did send them to the detention level, where Han and Luke are... And in Episode VI he is very hesitant to pretend to be a deity, even at the insistence of his master. Also in VI, luke doesn't even let 3P0 in on the plan to save Han, of which he is an unwitting part. I think this is out of fear that 3P0 will screw it up if he knew. R2, however, is trusted to keep secrets in this same situation.

I don't think so. 3P0 specificly stated in response to his owner's query (Luke) that he had never heard of Obi-Wan Kenobi. R2 was lying because he was under orders and needed that restraining bolt thingamajig removed to reach Obi-Wan, but 3P0 recieved no such orders. I don't think 3P0 is capable of lying under those circumstances.

I recall watching a documentary, maybe a "special feature" on one of the DVDs, where Lucas mentioned that this story is told from the perspective of the robots, C-3P0 and R2-D2. Here is something that bugs me. When and by whom was it decided where to place the hyphens in the droids names? In all the scripts their names are spelled seethreepio and artoodeetoo. Place the hyphen anywhere or not there at all and the name still reads the same.

My commander gave us permission, with winks and nods and things left unsaid, that if nobody seems to be at work after lunch on the 18th that he won't notice.

C3P0 has obviously had his memory of the events of Episodes 1-3 erased, but there is no reason to believe R2D2 has. He is a mechanic, he responds to queries and notifies his owners of danger, but he doesn't make conversation. I think he knows everything. Yes, obviously.