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1 hour ago, Dan56 said:

 

That's not what I implied at all... "No double standard, Christ is the single perfect example, not necessarily every person who claims to follow him.. You can assess a person by their actions." My point was that Christ was the perfect example, so Christians who don't try to follow that example have nothing to do with him. As Jesus put it; "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me" (Matthew 15:8). If a Democrat always votes strait republican, is he really a democrat? Their voting habits would indicate that they had little to do with what they profess to be (a democrat). Its the same with Christians, they can be good or bad, but its always Christ who ultimately defines Christianity.

 

 

Two thousand years of killing and torture and terror in the name of God and Christ -- had nothing to do with Christians.

 

Hypocrite.     🙄

 

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For what it is, it's a great job.  I'm impressed.     

Fascinating to see a few atheist trying to determine who the ant-Christ is!! An oxymoron for certain.

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If you can only tell real Christians by their actions then looking at European history and that of the U.S. then there must be not many real Christians. Heck, for centuries they spent their time torturing and burning people and declaring war on none believers. Perhaps there are no Christians.

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9 minutes ago, Pete said:

If you can only tell real Christians by their actions then looking at European history and that of the U.S. then there must be not many real Christians. Heck, for centuries they spent their time torturing and burning people and declaring war on none believers. Perhaps there are no Christians.

The only difference now is they vote for people like Trump to do it for them. I guess that is why people cannot judge them because there are no real Christians.

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6 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

Two thousand years of killing and torture and terror in the name of God and Christ -- had nothing to do with Christians. 

 

 

Correct.. It had to do with organized religion. Committing horrific acts in the name of Christ does not make one a Christian. What people pronounce themselves to be can be nullified or justified by what they do.

 

As with antifa, who claim a summer of peace & love while burning down the neighborhood... Hypocrites galore.

 

4 hours ago, Pete said:

If you can only tell real Christians by their actions then looking at European history and that of the U.S. then there must be not many real Christians. Heck, for centuries they spent their time torturing and burning people and declaring war on none believers. Perhaps there are no Christians.

 

True... A Christian is a follower of Christ, who did not torture, burn, or make war with others. So when you see people committing such heinous acts, its a sure fire tell that they aren't Christian, despite claiming to be acting in the name of Christianity.

 

And I agree that there aren't many real Christians. "Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it" (Matthew 7:14).

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10 minutes ago, Dan56 said:

[...]So when you see people committing such heinous acts, its a sure fire tell that they aren't Christian, despite claiming to be acting in the name of Christianity. [...]

 

And the same applies for "antifa"; it is a state of mind that most people who are against fascism (like you) share, so please don't judge that state of mind by the actions of those "people committing such heinous acts [...] despite claiming to be acting in the name of Christianity" antifa.

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5 hours ago, Pete said:

If you can only tell real Christians by their actions then looking at European history and that of the U.S. then there must be not many real Christians. Heck, for centuries they spent their time torturing and burning people and declaring war on none believers. Perhaps there are no Christians.

 

 

 

The Gospels agree with your conclusion.     :mellow:

 

Matthew 7:

 

 

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

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1 hour ago, Dan56 said:

 

Correct.. It had to do with organized religion. Committing horrific acts in the name of Christ does not make one a Christian. What people pronounce themselves to be can be nullified or justified by what they do.

 

As with antifa, who claim a summer of peace & love while burning down the neighborhood... Hypocrites galore.

 

 

True... A Christian is a follower of Christ, who did not torture, burn, or make war with others. So when you see people committing such heinous acts, its a sure fire tell that they aren't Christian, despite claiming to be acting in the name of Christianity.

 

And I agree that there aren't many real Christians. "Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it" (Matthew 7:14).

 

 

Organized religion?  Dan, you study words when it serves your purpose.  Try this word.  Pogrom.

 

It's what happened when the Christian mobs got bored with their lives, and invaded the Jewish communities.  The usual fun things.  Murder, beatings, rape, pillage, looting, arson, mindless destruction.  Good, pious, Christians all.

 

You don't get to undo history, with your silly purity tests.

 

Hypocrite.

 

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6 hours ago, RevBogovac said:

 

And the same applies for "antifa"; it is a state of mind that most people who are against fascism (like you) share, so please don't judge that state of mind by the actions of those "people committing such heinous acts [...] despite claiming to be acting in the name of Christianity" antifa.

 

So your saying that the violent mob causing all the havoc are just doing so under the name of antifa, but are in reality functioning under a separate state of mind that doesn't reflect the real peace loving antifa?  I guess that could be true, but I highly doubt it.  

 

4 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

It's what happened when the Christian mobs got bored with their lives, and invaded the Jewish communities.  The usual fun things.  Murder, beatings, rape, pillage, looting, arson, mindless destruction.  Good, pious, Christians all.

 

You don't get to undo history, with your silly purity tests.

 

 

You fail to differentiate between Christ and organized religion.. People who commit such atrocities may be pious, but they aren't good or Christians. The verses you quoted say that you'll know them by their fruits. Murder, beatings, and rape, are not Christian, thus the people waving a Christian banner while engaging in such destruction are frauds. 

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7 minutes ago, Dan56 said:

 

So your saying that the violent mob causing all the havoc are just doing so under the name of antifa, but are in reality functioning under a separate state of mind that doesn't reflect the real peace loving antifa?  I guess that could be true, but I highly doubt it.  

 

 

You fail to differentiate between Christ and organized religion.. People who commit such atrocities may be pious, but they aren't good or Christians. The verses you quoted say that you'll know them by their fruits. Murder, beatings, and rape, are not Christian, thus the people waving a Christian banner while engaging in such destruction are frauds. 

 

 

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Interesting.  If I take your meaning correctly, then it is up to me to decide who a true Christian is.  My opinion counts for more than how a person self identifies.  If I think that someone is a fraudulent Christian, then that person is a fraud -- even though that person professes to be Christian and seems to be pious.

 

We have been talking on this board for some years now.  By your own statement over the years, I know you to be hateful, bigoted, homophobic, cruel, smug, mean spirited and self righteous.  Let's not forget.  Intolerant.  In my opinion.

 

Since you leave it up to me to judge who is a true Christian -- instead of letting people self identify -- I say that your words speak for themselves.  By your various hurtful, mean spirited and cruel statement which you have made over the years -- on this board -- it is evident that you are not a true Christian.  That you are a fraud.  I do not see the Light of Christ in your heart.  I see a cruel, mean spirited, bully, who is consumed by his own self righteous smugness.  If that is to be your primary criterion -- how people behave -- then so be it.  You are not a true Christian.  You are a fraud.

 

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1 hour ago, Dan56 said:

 

So your saying that the violent mob causing all the havoc are just doing so under the name of antifa, but are in reality functioning under a separate state of mind that doesn't reflect the real peace loving antifa?  I guess that could be true, but I highly doubt it.  

 

 

You fail to differentiate between Christ and organized religion.. People who commit such atrocities may be pious, but they aren't good or Christians. The verses you quoted say that you'll know them by their fruits. Murder, beatings, and rape, are not Christian, thus the people waving a Christian banner while engaging in such destruction are frauds. 

So then by this logic Christianity is the minority religion.  Interposed previously posted logic by Dan and they should not have in God we trust on police cars...logic stated in another debate dictated that it was acceptable because your religion was the majority.  Spin it dan spin it.

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1 hour ago, cuchulain said:

So then by this logic Christianity is the minority religion.  Interposed previously posted logic by Dan and they should not have in God we trust on police cars...logic stated in another debate dictated that it was acceptable because your religion was the majority.  Spin it dan spin it.

 

 

Like a Cross, functioning as a Weather Vane.  Which way is the wind blowing?

 

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4 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

 

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Interesting.  If I take your meaning correctly, then it is up to me to decide who a true Christian is.  My opinion counts for more than how a person self identifies.  If I think that someone is a fraudulent Christian, then that person is a fraud -- even though that person professes to be Christian and seems to be pious.

 

We have been talking on this board for some years now.  By your own statement over the years, I know you to be hateful, bigoted, homophobic, cruel, smug, mean spirited and self righteous.  Let's not forget.  Intolerant.  In my opinion.

 

Since you leave it up to me to judge who is a true Christian -- instead of letting people self identify -- I say that your words speak for themselves.  By your various hurtful, mean spirited and cruel statement which you have made over the years -- on this board -- it is evident that you are not a true Christian.  That you are a fraud.  I do not see the Light of Christ in your heart.  I see a cruel, mean spirited, bully, who is consumed by his own self righteous smugness.  If that is to be your primary criterion -- how people behave -- then so be it.  You are not a true Christian.  You are a fraud.

 

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Classify me to be whatever you want, but I doubt you'd recognize a true Christian if you met one. Nothing you wrote is true, but your entitled to your opinion. Pious just means devoutly religious, if that's the superficial means by how you determine who's a Christian, then your judgement would no doubt be skewed. You seem to be under a false impression that a Christian must be all agreeable and lovey-dovey, but they aren't. Christ offended most people, as did his apostles, so I'm in good company.

 

3 hours ago, cuchulain said:

So then by this logic Christianity is the minority religion.  Interposed previously posted logic by Dan and they should not have in God we trust on police cars...logic stated in another debate dictated that it was acceptable because your religion was the majority.  Spin it dan spin it.

 

No, Christianity is definitely the majority religion in the USA... I've never suggested otherwise. My previous post was simply illustrating that a true Christian is recognized by what they do, so when religious organizations like the RCC conduct themselves poorly, to the point of even executing Christians during the dark ages (Crusades), their actions are not a reflection of anything Christ taught.

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1 hour ago, Dan56 said:

 

Classify me to be whatever you want, but I doubt you'd recognize a true Christian if you met one. Nothing you wrote is true, but your entitled to your opinion. Pious just means devoutly religious, if that's the superficial means by how you determine who's a Christian, then your judgement would no doubt be skewed. You seem to be under a false impression that a Christian must be all agreeable and lovey-dovey, but they aren't. Christ offended most people, as did his apostles, so I'm in good company.

 

 

No, Christianity is definitely the majority religion in the USA... I've never suggested otherwise. My previous post was simply illustrating that a true Christian is recognized by what they do, so when religious organizations like the RCC conduct themselves poorly, to the point of even executing Christians during the dark ages (Crusades), their actions are not a reflection of anything Christ taught.

 

 

 

:boredom:     Well, I'm bored.

 

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2 hours ago, cuchulain said:

Biblical judgment on your part Dan.  Judge not was written specifically for you.  You aren't qualified to judge true Christians or false...but if it suits your argument you will.

 

 

It's Dan.  Everything filters through his beliefs.     :boredom:

 

 

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20 hours ago, Dan56 said:

 

So your saying that the violent mob causing all the havoc are just doing so under the name of antifa, but are in reality functioning under a separate state of mind that doesn't reflect the real peace loving antifa?  I guess that could be true, but I highly doubt it.  [...]

 

No. That is not what I said. And we specifically identified you as antifa too, mind you...

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10 hours ago, cuchulain said:

Biblical judgment on your part Dan.  Judge not was written specifically for you.  You aren't qualified to judge true Christians or false...but if it suits your argument you will.

 

The bible defines what it is to be a Christian, so no judgement is required to identify false churches.. And its not judgement, but simple discernment. This is tantamount to me saying that your not qualified to judge a democrat from a republican. There's nothing condemning  in recognizing the obvious.

 

6 hours ago, RevBogovac said:

 

No. That is not what I said. And we specifically identified you as antifa too, mind you...

 

Right :).... I've been out clubbing heads, setting fires, and looting stores with the rest of my antifa gang........ Please!!

No offense, but I don't think you guys could identify a cockroach from an ant.. I'm a conservative fundamentalist, and that doesn't mix well with the socialistic fascist of antifa, or with all the socialist on this forum for that matter. 

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4 hours ago, Dan56 said:

 

The bible defines what it is to be a Christian, so no judgement is required to identify false churches.. And its not judgement, but simple discernment. This is tantamount to me saying that your not qualified to judge a democrat from a republican. There's nothing condemning  in recognizing the obvious.

 

 

Right :).... I've been out clubbing heads, setting fires, and looting stores with the rest of my antifa gang........ Please!!

No offense, but I don't think you guys could identify a cockroach from an ant.. I'm a conservative fundamentalist, and that doesn't mix well with the socialistic fascist of antifa, or with all the socialist on this forum for that matter. 

 

You make a lot of assumptions.  As usual.

 

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On 11/12/2020 at 10:31 PM, Dan56 said:

 

There you go...

 

 

 I've repeatedly said the opposite.. I'm anti-fascism, anti- antifa, & anti-Marxism.. I've never implied or said anything different.. Try to keep up.

 

On 11/13/2020 at 11:49 AM, RevBogovac said:

 

 

Antifa is nothing more (or less) than "short" for anti fascism. 

 

13 hours ago, Dan56 said:

 

The bible defines what it is to be a Christian, so no judgement is required to identify false churches.. And its not judgement, but simple discernment. This is tantamount to me saying that your not qualified to judge a democrat from a republican. There's nothing condemning  in recognizing the obvious.

 

 

Right :).... I've been out clubbing heads, setting fires, and looting stores with the rest of my antifa gang........ Please!!

No offense, but I don't think you guys could identify a cockroach from an ant.. I'm a conservative fundamentalist, and that doesn't mix well with the socialistic fascist of antifa, or with all the socialist on this forum for that matter. 

 

 

Yes, you have clearly stated yourself: "[you're] anti-fascism". And "antifa" is nothing more and nothing less than short for anti-fascism.

 

Your assumptions can go both ways BTW: it would be just as easy to say every conservative is a fascist... you just don't want to see any nuance (in others).

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Dan in a nutshell.  We're all given a photo of the sun on the horizon.  Dan believes it's setting.  He has a book that says so and a lantern.  He's busy telling everyone about the sunset.  We all compared our photo with each other and reality and see it's sunrise.  We tell Dan who has his eyes closed.  He's insisting it's dark.  But his lantern is providing light.  The thing is it does not work and we can all see because it's day but Dan keeps insisting it's the light from his lantern and not only that but we're all fools.  And he can't grasp why we're all mad about being called fools...and worse he has tricked others into believing and they have killed because they believe the lantern only works if you believe.

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