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Have you tried reading the Book of Mormon?  Mark Twain was right.  It's like chloroform in print.  (His description.  Not mine.)

 

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5 hours ago, Geordon said:

 

FTFY

 

 

This describes a lack of compassion.  Oh, how I wish I had digital access to the OED!  Anyway...  There is a difference between a lack of acceptance (i.e. def 1.4 and 2) and a lack of respect (definition 2).  I do not accept Christianity, Islam, Atheism, etc ad nauseam.  I do, however, respect them.

 

 

Citations and full context needed, starting with the definition of what makes for nonbelievers.  A quick search for 9:5 resulted me in this page: Verse (9:5) - English Translation. Note the mention of Allah being forgiving and merciful, similar to what I understand about the Christian God.  

 

However, forgiveness (drill down to forgive, def 1, 1.1, 1.2) and mercy (def. 1) are not to be had by those that either Allah or God have deemed unworthy.  See Romans 3:23 and  Romans 3:24, and contrast Romans 1:18, as opposed to your reference to Quran 9:5 and contrast 17:25.  

 

With enough desire, time and effort, it is likely that I could find more passages from both The Bible and The Qur'an to support both sides of the same question within each text.  Or, to put it another way, I could almost certainly find plenty of internal contradictions in both texts.  The same with The Torah, but that's just the Old Testament written out long hand.

 

 

I'll do you one more!  Read what His Holiness, the Dalai Lama said about "Faith in Buddhism and Christianity."

 

 

Out of curiosity, have you read any of the Pentatuch? 

 

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To my understanding -- The forgiveness and mercy sited here, are for those who become Muslims.  Those who refuse the call, are to receive neither forgiveness nor mercy.  Yes.  Very similar to Christian values.  It's the same shoe on the other foot.  

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13 hours ago, Geordon said:

This describes a lack of compassion.  Oh, how I wish I had digital access to the OED!  Anyway...  There is a difference between a lack of acceptance (i.e. def 1.4 and 2) and a lack of respect (definition 2).  I do not accept Christianity, Islam, Atheism, etc ad nauseam.  I do, however, respect them.

 

 

Citations and full context needed, starting with the definition of what makes for nonbelievers.  A quick search for 9:5 resulted me in this page: Verse (9:5) - English Translation. Note the mention of Allah being forgiving and merciful, similar to what I understand about the Christian God.  

 

However, forgiveness (drill down to forgive, def 1, 1.1, 1.2) and mercy (def. 1) are not to be had by those that either Allah or God have deemed unworthy.  See Romans 3:23 and  Romans 3:24, and contrast Romans 1:18, as opposed to your reference to Quran 9:5 and contrast 17:25.  

 

With enough desire, time and effort, it is likely that I could find more passages from both The Bible and The Qur'an to support both sides of the same question within each text.  Or, to put it another way, I could almost certainly find plenty of internal contradictions in both texts.  The same with The Torah, but that's just the Old Testament written out long hand.

 

Not respecting something that you believe is a load of baloney does not constitute a lack of compassion. While I respect and accept everyone's right to believe what they want, I find it impossible to respect something I believe is false. Compassion has nothing to do with it, except in the sense that I'm sympathetic towards those who have the misfortune of believing something that I perceive to be a lie.

 

The difference between Allah and God is that Allah inspires believers to exact punishment, while the biblical God says; "Vengeance is mine" (Romans 12:19). And imo, there are no internal contradictions in the bible, but that's a whole different subject.  

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Did you even visit any of the links that I offered?

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5 hours ago, Geordon said:

Did you even visit any of the links that I offered?

 

5 hours ago, Geordon said:

Did you even visit any of the links that I offered?

 

 

Yes.  I thought the description of Jodo was particularly interesting.  It shows how far some of Japanese Buddhism has drifted from the source.  Amida Buddha does not liberate.  They have gone off the rails.

 

They can chant --" Nammu Amida Bhutsu" until doomsday.  All they have done is turned Amida into a god.  An external god.

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20 hours ago, Geordon said:

 

FTFY

 

 

This describes a lack of compassion.  Oh, how I wish I had digital access to the OED!  Anyway...  There is a difference between a lack of acceptance (i.e. def 1.4 and 2) and a lack of respect (definition 2).  I do not accept Christianity, Islam, Atheism, etc ad nauseam.  I do, however, respect them.

 

 

Citations and full context needed, starting with the definition of what makes for nonbelievers.  A quick search for 9:5 resulted me in this page: Verse (9:5) - English Translation. Note the mention of Allah being forgiving and merciful, similar to what I understand about the Christian God.  

 

However, forgiveness (drill down to forgive, def 1, 1.1, 1.2) and mercy (def. 1) are not to be had by those that either Allah or God have deemed unworthy.  See Romans 3:23 and  Romans 3:24, and contrast Romans 1:18, as opposed to your reference to Quran 9:5 and contrast 17:25.  

 

With enough desire, time and effort, it is likely that I could find more passages from both The Bible and The Qur'an to support both sides of the same question within each text.  Or, to put it another way, I could almost certainly find plenty of internal contradictions in both texts.  The same with The Torah, but that's just the Old Testament written out long hand.

 

 

I'll do you one more!  Read what His Holiness, the Dalai Lama said about "Faith in Buddhism and Christianity."

 

 

Out of curiosity, have you read any of the Pentatuch? 

 

:whist:

 

 

I have just looked over Dan's reply to your comments above.  It is an analysis between "God" and "Allah".

 

As usual, the tail is wagging the dogma.     :D   

 

 

 

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So this wag wants to know which tailIban?

 

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On 5/28/2018 at 8:49 AM, Geordon said:

 

FTFY

 

 

This describes a lack of compassion.  Oh, how I wish I had digital access to the OED!  Anyway...  There is a difference between a lack of acceptance (i.e. def 1.4 and 2) and a lack of respect (definition 2).  I do not accept Christianity, Islam, Atheism, etc ad nauseam.  I do, however, respect them.

 

 

Citations and full context needed, starting with the definition of what makes for nonbelievers.  A quick search for 9:5 resulted me in this page: Verse (9:5) - English Translation. Note the mention of Allah being forgiving and merciful, similar to what I understand about the Christian God.  

 

However, forgiveness (drill down to forgive, def 1, 1.1, 1.2) and mercy (def. 1) are not to be had by those that either Allah or God have deemed unworthy.  See Romans 3:23 and  Romans 3:24, and contrast Romans 1:18, as opposed to your reference to Quran 9:5 and contrast 17:25.  

 

With enough desire, time and effort, it is likely that I could find more passages from both The Bible and The Qur'an to support both sides of the same question within each text.  Or, to put it another way, I could almost certainly find plenty of internal contradictions in both texts.  The same with The Torah, but that's just the Old Testament written out long hand.

 

 

I'll do you one more!  Read what His Holiness, the Dalai Lama said about "Faith in Buddhism and Christianity."

 

 

Out of curiosity, have you read any of the Pentatuch? 

 

:whist:

Very interesting. Thanks for the read.

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6 hours ago, Key said:

Very interesting. Thanks for the read.

 

One is glad to be of service.

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4 hours ago, Geordon said:

 

One is glad to be of service.

Can't help but think of Robin Williams character in "Millenium Man" where he often says that, whenever you post that.

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4 hours ago, Key said:

Can't help but think of Robin Williams character in "Millenium Man" where he often says that, whenever you post that.

 

Got it in one! That was one of my favorite of his movies and characters. The movie was called "Bicentenial Man"

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On 5/20/2018 at 6:31 PM, cuchulain said:

i remember many various phases to this forum, having originally joined with the profile name madmerlin33 in the early 2000's.  i lost the password on purpose, needing a break as sometimes happens, then lost my email for that account, so made a new one.

i remember democratis AChE, dave and some few others from then, when we had an AAG forum(almost anything goes).  that was done away with as too controversial...but sometimes the regular section comes close to what that section used to in levels of antagonizism. 

 

I didn't know you went that far back. I don't remember madmerlin33 from then but I do remember dave and dA. I used to argue with those two as much as you and Jonathan used to argue with Dan. LOL

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On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 6:45 PM, Pastor Dave said:

 

I didn't know you went that far back. I don't remember madmerlin33 from then but I do remember dave and dA. I used to argue with those two as much as you and Jonathan used to argue with Dan. LOL

yeah...it used to be a bit worse by my memory...but then, my memory isn't perfect by any means.

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 11:04 AM, Seeker said:

So this wag wants to know which tailIban?

 

 

 

"My karma ran over my dogma."       :D   

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4 hours ago, cuchulain said:

yeah...it used to be a bit worse by my memory...but then, my memory isn't perfect by any means.

 

Yeah, AAG could get pretty brutal from time to time.

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