Jonathan H. B. Lobl

Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

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4 hours ago, Dan56 said:

When push comes to shove, we are all Agnostic, everything else is faith. [...]

 

If we use our brain, we are... :rolleyes:

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7 hours ago, Rev. Calli said:

Greetings to you my brother,

 

My way got rid of them immediately.   Your way took six months.  

 

Seriously tho, much of the doctrine and practices of the JW's I am very familiar with, having done much research on Escatology and denominations that stressed the coming last days while I was in Seminary.  For a time, the denomination was also pretty strong in the Milwaukee area, having their missionaries out every Saturday and some weeknights going door to door. When I owned my coffee shop, they were even known to come in there to try to Proselytize.  Even after telling them multiple times I'm ordained in the Methodist church and very unlikely to change my views, they were adamant.  Finally, I resorted to the big guns.  Fortunately, they didn't take me up on my offer.  It would have been hard to explain to my wife:evil:

In solidarity,

Rev. Calli

 

 

It might have been even harder to explain to the police.  If they believed you at all, an honorable group, or a civic minded group, or a moral group -- would have reported you.  That they did not go to the police is disturbing.  

 

Of course, your wife might be more scary than the police.       :D    

 

My last encounter with the JWs was near the job I commuted too.  They asked me if I ever "run into any of them" where I lived.  My answer was -- "Only when I'm driving."       :D   

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Atheism is falsifiable.  All that need be done to falsify it is present proof of any deities existence.  Until such time, I will call myself Atheist.

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mererdog   
1 hour ago, cuchulain said:

Atheism is falsifiable.

No it isn't. You can neither prove nor disprove the statement "I don't believe you."

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1 hour ago, mererdog said:

No it isn't. You can neither prove nor disprove the statement "I don't believe you."

Is that the actual definition of atheism?

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mererdog   
2 hours ago, cuchulain said:

Is that the actual definition of atheism?

What is an"actual definition"? The term started as a pejorative used by religious people to mock nonbelievers.  It has been used in a lot if different ways by a lot of different people since then. Atheism has no hierarchy and no leader, so no one to provide an "official definition." Merriam-Webster lists the most common definition as-

Definition of atheism

1a :a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b :a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods.

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10 hours ago, mererdog said:

What is an"actual definition"? The term started as a pejorative used by religious people to mock nonbelievers.  It has been used in a lot if different ways by a lot of different people since then. Atheism has no hierarchy and no leader, so no one to provide an "official definition." Merriam-Webster lists the most common definition as-

Definition of atheism

1a :a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b :a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods.

 

All a dictionary can ever do is cite common usage.  Dictionaries have no authority.

 

We can argue forever about who gets to define Atheism.  The more so since common usage shifts.  

 

The people who do not get to define Atheists are the pious.  That in particular includes dictionaries, which are written by the pious.  Christians and Muslims do not get to define Atheism or Atheists.  

 

You are more than welcome to enter the verbal war.  It is a futile war, but welcome.  

 

:whist:

 

An additional thought on pejoratives.  I rather like April Fools Day.  Any excuse for a holiday.  

 

:D   

 

 

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15 hours ago, cuchulain said:

Atheism is falsifiable.  All that need be done to falsify it is present proof of any deities existence.  Until such time, I will call myself Atheist.

 

The eternal treadmill.  Before we can prove anything, we need a definition.  

 

Here is another perfectly good word.  "Apatheism."  Not caring whether or not God exists.  It does cut down on the arguing.  

 

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VonNoble   
17 hours ago, mererdog said:

Definition of atheism

1a :a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods

 

Under that heading than Agnostics could largely be lumped with Atheists 

(which would raise the % of Atheists, no) 

 

Not that it is useful for any purpose but the doubters club is underrepresented a bit. 

It would grow as any person who does not specifically lay claim to a belief in a specific 

god/God would be default fall into the Atheist numbers.   Maybe?

 

If you are not a member of a god group (lacking belief) then you default to Atheist? 

Rather an interesting spin. 

 

von

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