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edcrain   

If You are depressed You are living in the past.

If You are anxious You are living in the future.

If You are at peace You are living in the present

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"The Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao.

The name that can be named is not the eternal name."

 

For me, this is good Agnostic philosophy.     :D   

 

Of course, we must avoid being holier than Tao.       :lol:

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edcrain   
36 minutes ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

Of course, we must avoid being holier than Tao.       :lol:

  :thumbu::clap2::thumbu:

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VonNoble   
2 hours ago, edcrain said:

If You are depressed You are living in the past.

If You are anxious You are living in the future.

If You are at peace You are living in the present

 

Thx edcrain...I know this....but OFTEN need to be reminded

of it.   Your timing in posting it was perfect timing for me. 

 

Happy to see your face once again...I rather miss the

Forum when I am away...I appreciate your welcome back. 

von

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RevTom   
7 hours ago, edcrain said:

If You are depressed You are living in the past.

If You are anxious You are living in the future.

If You are at peace You are living in the present

Although in most aspects this is a nice sentiment, the harsh reality is that for most people - the vast majority -  living with depression, they are living with a disease that needs to be treated, the same as diabetes, schizophrenia, arthritis, or any other malady would need to be treated. I urge people living with depression to seek the medical help they need, to avoid those who would deny and have you deny the medical context of your illness, and thus enable yourselves to live productive lives with as much happiness as possible.

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RevTom   
1 minute ago, RevTom said:

Although in most aspects this is a nice sentiment, the harsh reality is that for most people - the vast majority -  living with depression, they are living with a disease that needs to be treated, the same as diabetes, schizophrenia, arthritis, or any other malady would need to be treated. I urge people living with depression to seek the medical help they need, to avoid those who would deny and have you deny the medical context of your illness, and thus enable yourselves to live productive lives with as much happiness as possible.

...in all things, bring your problems to your higher power, whatever your spiritual or in the case of non believers, whatever you draw strength from. For me, as a Christian, that is Christ our Lord. reflecting on God's word brings me solace. I am one of those who battle depression. For the most part I have comes to terms with it, and found solace and comfort through my Christian faith. Peace to all.

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RevTom   
2 minutes ago, edcrain said:

Good Point. Lao Tzu lived about 600 BC.

I do follow Lao Tzu and other great philosophers and spiritual leaders. Thank you for your post: If we learn to live our lives by the wisdom granted us through these spiritual leaders and philosophers, we will accomplish much individually and collectively. I also enjoy seeing the posts of people here that are thinkers and introduce new avenues of thought and wisdom. I believe ULC is blessed with several free thinkers.

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1 hour ago, edcrain said:

Good Point. Lao Tzu lived about 600 BC.

 

 

There is some ambiguity about the historic Lao Tzu.  The name, Lao Tzu, translates as "Old Master" or "Old Sage".  I don't think it matters.  The poems of the Tao Te Ching have inspired generations with their wisdom.  

 

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VonNoble   
16 hours ago, mark 45 said:

it's an excellent point to meditate on.

 

Mark45, good to see you, friend.

Good to see you have kept meditation as a critical part of your path.

Thank you also, for the welcome back

von

 

16 hours ago, RevTom said:

I urge people living with depression to seek the medical help they need, to avoid those who would deny and have you deny the medical context of your illness, and thus enable yourselves to live productive lives with as much happiness as possible.

 

16 hours ago, RevTom said:

I am one of those who battle depression. For the most part I have comes to terms with it, and found solace and comfort through my Christian faith. Peace to all.

 

RevTom,

I commend you for coming to terms with depression.

It is a most difficult condition to contend with and often misunderstood.

 

i also commend you for urging those who recognize they need professional help to seek it. 

Very good advise.

 

Lastly, congratulations of finding a path that supports your well self. 

 

edcrain's original posting: 

If You are depressed You are living in the past.

If You are anxious You are living in the future.

If You are at peace You are living in the present

 

...as you likely noted yourself ...it refers to little "d" 

depression ...the variety shared by all humans 

routinely (not big D.....Depression the very real and

very difficult disease you mentioned) 

 

I suspect either way (routine common depression or

major very real medical condition Depression)  - either

group can move forward by reflecting on the overall

message of the posting. 

 

Again, my salute to you for finding a way to cope

with Depression.   I applaud you and hope you inspire

others to find a way to cope with it.    It is quite awful

to deal with...and I have known a couple of family 

members to suffer horribly because of it. 

 

von

 

 

 

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RevTom   
6 hours ago, VonNoble said:

 

Mark45, good to see you, friend.

Good to see you have kept meditation as a critical part of your path.

Thank you also, for the welcome back

von

 

 

 

RevTom,

I commend you for coming to terms with depression.

It is a most difficult condition to contend with and often misunderstood.

 

i also commend you for urging those who recognize they need professional help to seek it. 

Very good advise.

 

Lastly, congratulations of finding a path that supports your well self. 

 

edcrain's original posting: 

If You are depressed You are living in the past.

If You are anxious You are living in the future.

If You are at peace You are living in the present

 

...as you likely noted yourself ...it refers to little "d" 

depression ...the variety shared by all humans 

routinely (not big D.....Depression the very real and

very difficult disease you mentioned) 

 

I suspect either way (routine common depression or

major very real medical condition Depression)  - either

group can move forward by reflecting on the overall

message of the posting. 

 

Again, my salute to you for finding a way to cope

with Depression.   I applaud you and hope you inspire

others to find a way to cope with it.    It is quite awful

to deal with...and I have known a couple of family 

members to suffer horribly because of it. 

 

von

 

 

 

 

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mark 45   

rev tom,

having gone thru a period in my life that can only be described as the"black lagoon",i in no way dismiss depression(capitol d)as something that should be ignored.it is a very real medical disease and needs to be treated.

 

however,what works for some people does not for others.the psychologist and psychiatrist i was seeing both told me that medication was not an answer for me,but i had within me the answers.hence meditation.while i wish the answers to some other medical conditions i have were as easy to solve,they aren't.so i do my best and don't complain about it.

 

i hope you did not think i was being dismissive,and if you did,i apologize. 

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RevTom   
On 8/31/2017 at 2:44 PM, mark 45 said:

rev tom,

having gone thru a period in my life that can only be described as the"black lagoon",i in no way dismiss depression(capitol d)as something that should be ignored.it is a very real medical disease and needs to be treated.

 

however,what works for some people does not for others.the psychologist and psychiatrist i was seeing both told me that medication was not an answer for me,but i had within me the answers.hence meditation.while i wish the answers to some other medical conditions i have were as easy to solve,they aren't.so i do my best and don't complain about it.

 

i hope you did not think i was being dismissive,and if you did,i apologize. 

No umbrage taken, and none meant, for sure!!! It was just interesting the different manners to which we all seek solutions. I was prescribed medication but stopped taking it because I worked with high speed machinery and couldn't operate them (large format printing presses) while zonked on prozac and later elavil. I white knuckled it until I came to terms with it, learned to recognize the triggers, and practiced a type of meditation. 

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