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52 minutes ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

Just so.  I understand the symbolism.  Still, if the Kingdom of Heaven is within, there is no place to go, nothing to attain and nothing to climb.  

 

There is an old Zen monk 's lament.  "I know I'm already an enlightened master.  Why am I still miserable?"  

Maybe it is meant figuratively speaking. We all have that within us, but we must all discover it in our own way and by our own measure?

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1 hour ago, RevTom said:

Maybe it is meant figuratively speaking. We all have that within us, but we must all discover it in our own way and by our own measure?

 

Perhaps.  But if there is something to be heard, I think I will hear it better if I'm meditating.  Not climbing a rock.  

 

Psalm 46:10 King James Version (KJV)

Be still, and know that I am God: 

 

I can also cherry pick.     :D   

 

 

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18 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

Perhaps.  But if there is something to be heard, I think I will hear it better if I'm meditating.  Not climbing a rock.  

 

Psalm 46:10 King James Version (KJV)

Be still, and know that I am God: 

 

I can also cherry pick.     :D   

 

 

 

I think you are just refusing to accept a metaphor: meditating may be your way of climbing the metaphorical rock? :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, RevTom said:

I think you are just refusing to accept a metaphor: meditating may be your way of climbing the metaphorical rock? :rolleyes:

 

 

Perhaps.  I actually get why you think this.  In common usage, this metaphor is about finding God.  The many paths up the mountain are the different ways -- the different religions -- that bring us to God.  The thing is, I don't believe in God and I'm not looking.  Certainly, not climbing.  

 

The Transcendendtal Meditation people would agree with you. Then again, TM is a path to God.  In general, Yoga is about finding God. Buddhist meditation is about awareness.  My practice is more Taoist.  Similar.  A different flavor.  Still, not about God.  

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On 8/4/2017 at 9:01 AM, RevTom said:

I don't follow your context. The statement about there being many paths up the mountain refers to more than one spiritual path, while each path's adherents often have the mindset that theirs is the only valid one. There is nothing at all  that should give anyone the illusion that anything said is remotely connected to letting others pick one's goal. 

Greetings to you my brother,

 

I think our brother Jonathon is saying that what if you don't want to go on the trip at all.

 

In solidarity,

Rev. Calli

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26 minutes ago, Rev. Calli said:

Greetings to you my brother,

 

I think our brother Jonathon is saying that what if you don't want to go on the trip at all.

 

In solidarity,

Rev. Calli

AAAAAHHHHH. I guess sometimes I am not the sharpest tack on the wall. Everyone does - and should - follow his or her own path or inclinations. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

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13 hours ago, Rev. Calli said:

Greetings to you my brother,

 

I think our brother Jonathon is saying that what if you don't want to go on the trip at all.

 

In solidarity,

Rev. Calli

 

 

Thank you.  Actually, it's more like -- I've already exhausted myself on the climb -- and discovered that I had come full circle.

 

Why did the chicken cross the mobius strip?  To get to the same side.     :lol:

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22 hours ago, RevTom said:

AAAAAHHHHH. I guess sometimes I am not the sharpest tack on the wall. Everyone does - and should - follow his or her own path or inclinations. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

Greetings to you my brother,

 

Not a problem.  I live to serve.

 

In solidarity,

Rev. Calli

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8 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

 

Thank you.  Actually, it's more like -- I've already exhausted myself on the climb -- and discovered that I had come full circle.

 

 

8 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

Why did the chicken cross the mobius strip?  To get to the same side.     :lol:

Greetings to you my brother,

 

Oh you....:lol:

 

In solidarity,

Rev. Calli

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