Dakini Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 This is for the state of Connecticut, but I saw online that many states have the same wording in their statutes.I have two questions:1. Would anyone tell me what this means: "accredited by the religious body" 2. Is Universal Life Church considered "accredited by the religious body?" I am planning to do Pastoral Counseling. I just got my certificate in Pastoral Counseling, after getting a Master's degree in Clinical Counseling. One can offer Pastoral Counseling w/o a license in Connecticut with ordination, but one must adhere to specific rules, like: © No license as a professional counselor shall be required of the following: 2) a clergyman, priest, minister, rabbi or practitioner of any religious denomination accredited by the religious body to which the person belongs and settled in the work of the ministry, provided the activities that would otherwise require a license as a professional counselor are within the scope of ministerial duties;Here is the link to the longer statute.Any help to clear this up would be much appreciated. If ULC is "accredited," it might help to have this stated on the website.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YODA Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) I have two questions:1. Would anyone tell me what this means: "accredited by the religious body" 2. Is Universal Life Church considered "accredited by the religious body?" {snip}© No license as a professional counselor shall be required of the following: 2) a clergyman, priest, minister, rabbi or practitioner of any religious denomination accredited by the religious body to which the person belongs and settled in the work of the ministry, {snip}Any help to clear this up would be much appreciated. If ULC is "accredited," it might help to have this stated on the website.Thanks!I believe your confusion must be due to a misinterpretation of the text...The "religious body" to do the accrediting accredits the "clergyman, priest, minister, rabbi, or practitioner of (a) religious denomination."ULC is a religious body. The wording is apparently very specifically avoiding limiting the term to "denomination" or to any type of "religious body" that has to be defined by statute (anything else would be unconstitutional) and not specifically limited to any specific term ("clergyman, priest, minister, rabbi, or any practitioner of any religious denomination").You are a clergy(person), minister, or practitioner of a religious denomination (or "body"), yes?You are ordained (i.e., accredited by) said religious body, yes?Then, you are a "clergyman, minister, or practitioner of a religious denomination" who has been "accredited by the religious body."And, yes, the ULC is a legitimate religious body. Why would you seek ordination in it if you did not believe it to be so?No American would want to believe that any religious body would be subject to accreditation, would we? Who would do the accrediting? Generally, for a government (even of a state) to require any kind of accrediting of a religious organization would be unconstitutional, anyway! Edited November 12, 2009 by Rev DO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Gray Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 No American would want to believe that any religious body would be subject to accreditation, would we? Who would do the accrediting? Generally, for a government (even of a state) to require any kind of accrediting of a religious organization would be unconstitutional, anyway!Check out the DoD Chaplain Programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Scott Luxon Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 have faithwe are twenty six million by your sideyou are "accredited"my suggestion, write a course in your discipline submit it to the seminary take it and pass it.in the mean time simply tell the public you have a calling and are a believer, student and a servant.I might know how you feel.people give out titles to each other.our church is no exception, we recognize a calling and ordainthat is all the accreditation you needit stands up because our church stands uphonour system as it were,live up to it and it will serve you well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakini Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Rev Scott, Dorian, Rev Do -THANK you ALL for your replies - Certainly clears up my misunderstanding of the text as well as how it relates to my questions!!In Peace, Love, and yes, FAITH!Dakini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YODA Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Check out the DoD Chaplain Programs.Is that the exception that proves the rule?DoD marches to its own drummer. Most of the UCMJ would be unconstitutional if asserted in civilian life, but those who enlist are free to waive their rights, I suppose.Thank Providence, and the founding fathers, for the principals of the posse comitatis act. At least until the administration declares marhsall law (or will a declared state of "emergency" suffice?) the rest of us civilians are not subject to government approval (and accreditation?) of our religious beliefs and practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Not sure this is so clear. Ordained, and accredited by may not have the same legal weight. You need to talk to a local lawyer on this. It may be they are looking for an ULC accredidation, as in you have passed some course work, and ULC sanctions your technique.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mererdog Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 I gotta go with Koki on this one. Dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s or you could end up in jail. "I thought I was qualified" is likely not a sufficient legal defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWYoung Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 This is for the state of Connecticut, but I saw online that many states have the same wording in their statutes.I have two questions:1. Would anyone tell me what this means: "accredited by the religious body" 2. Is Universal Life Church considered "accredited by the religious body?" I am planning to do Pastoral Counseling. I just got my certificate in Pastoral Counseling, after getting a Master's degree in Clinical Counseling. One can offer Pastoral Counseling w/o a license in Connecticut with ordination, but one must adhere to specific rules, like: © No license as a professional counselor shall be required of the following: 2) a clergyman, priest, minister, rabbi or practitioner of any religious denomination accredited by the religious body to which the person belongs and settled in the work of the ministry, provided the activities that would otherwise require a license as a professional counselor are within the scope of ministerial duties;Here is the link to the longer statute.Any help to clear this up would be much appreciated. If ULC is "accredited," it might help to have this stated on the website.Thanks!ULC is an accredited religious organization. Your ordination certificate should be sufficient if they require credentials. If your state requires more formal documentation I believe that is available from the ULC website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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