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After running this topic for a year, I am convinced that maybe World Peace is not possible.

After all I saw in Viet Nam, 0311 marine, and now seeing so many civilians around the world being slautered, maybe ya'll are 'right', there will never be Peace (in 'this world').

Maybe God's Plan has failed...(NOT)

I will have to 'go with' the idea, think it's called 'the rapture', that We will split, some 'evolving' to a Peaceful Existence, some staying behind, like the dinosaurs.(this is not ego talk).

Jesus told the guys on the cross next to him that they could not go with Him, cause they did not know 'the way'.

How can Ministers not believe, desire, crave for, Peace.

Have you ever seen a child crying cause part of their body has been blow away(often with a bomb with usa written on it?)

Ever seen your friends killed in front of your eyes? Mutilated!...FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT!!!

Maybe we need to see these things to desire Peace.

What do you preach? War?

Maybe this is why war happens, so we can learn and grow...(if you choose to.)

Maybe this is just a grade level in school. The subject...LOVE.

This is not 'no child left behind'.

"If we are willing to argue for our weaknesses, we get to keep them."

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MURDER;

"The unlawful (who's law?) killing of a human being by another with malice aforethought, either express or implied."...Blacks Law Dictionary

War = Murder

"There will always be murder and rumors of murder".

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Murder can be 'lawful'?

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After running this topic for a year, I am convinced that maybe World Peace is not possible.

Perhaps world peace is possible, perhaps it's not. Many portions of humanity have made great strides towards global peace in the last couple of centuries. But, as a whole, we've still got a very long way to go.

Maybe God's Plan has failed...(NOT)

Maybe there is no God. Maybe there is no divine plan. If there really is a God who has a divine plan, he certainly isn't going out of way to make his presence known, or to inform folks of his plan.

If world peace is to ever be achieved, I think we'll have to get off our duffs and work towards that goal on our own, rather than waiting on supernatural or other-worldly entities to do it for us.

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Murder can be 'lawful'?

Murder is never lawful. Killing is. Semantics.

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Not possible

as not profitable

just yet anyway

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Murder is never lawful. Killing is. Semantics.

So too is 'world peace.' Personally, I think the expression is an oxymoron.

If 'world peace' is the absence of all aggression, then that will only happen when life ceases to exist on earth. The natural world, of which we are still a part, exists as a result of aggressive competition. To assert we could have 'world peace' is to think of humans as machines, not the animals we are.

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WOW! Thanks for the replies! Very thought provoking!

"not the animals we are"...?...(can be?)

What happened to "Made in His image"?

No Source? Just 'evolved' from slime. Consciousness from slime?

That's harder to 'believe' than God made , or better said, is manifesting as us.

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What happened to "Made in His image"?

I can take a canister of green Play-Doh and make something in your image and likeness but it is just not the same, and even if it is not kept in optimal conditions even the Play-Doh Satyam will lose flexibilty and vibrate at a slower rate and harden into a more brittle state.

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You are right 'bout that.

Consciousness 'makes' play-doh...not the other way 'round.

So don't vibrate too slow and become play-doh!...?

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Satyam, Semper Fi Marine! 0311,0321, and 0326 were my MOSs.

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world.

A marine doesn't have that problem." President Ronald Reagan - 1985

Anyway, onto the subject at hand. World peace and can it be achieved.

I believe that yes, it can be achieved. Will it ever in the existence of the world come to fruition. No.

The only way to achieve world peace would be to eliminate any and all resistance toward your primary objective of world peace.

We will never be able to peaceably bring about such radical change across the globe as to change the minds of certain people who are obviously against the idea of world peace.

It is a great thing to hope for, and a great thing to strive for.

But we will never change everyones mind through mediation or diplomatic talks. Some people grow up hating other races and are taught hate from the time they are children. We are all brainwashed in one way shape or form. Some just in a more extreme way than others.

Sincerely,

Sgt. L. Hicks

1st Recon Bn

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So too is 'world peace.' Personally, I think the expression is an oxymoron.

If 'world peace' is the absence of all aggression, then that will only happen when life ceases to exist on earth. The natural world, of which we are still a part, exists as a result of aggressive competition. To assert we could have 'world peace' is to think of humans as machines, not the animals we are.

I agree with you, Hooka. World Peace is like Military Intelligence. We can only suppress violence and/or control its extent. We can do this individually with ourselves and corporately as a Power. We can subdue negative aggression but not eliminate it. This is what is meant by "...not as the world gives peace. -Jesus"

I am not a machine and, although I can be considered an animal (and act like one sometimes), I am much more than that. I have the ability to control my violent human nature by initiating my divine spiritual nature. But we humans can never achieve world peace, only the Divine can do that and it must start from within one's own heart.

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Maybe God's Plan has failed...(NOT)

I will have to 'go with' the idea, think it's called 'the rapture', that We will split, some 'evolving' to a Peaceful Existence, some staying behind, like the dinosaurs.(this is not ego talk).

Christians have a poor record of being peaceful. Why should they suddenly change after the Rapture?

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Christians have a poor record of being peaceful. Why should they suddenly change after the Rapture?

We won't be around after the Rapture. :coffee:

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We won't be around after the Rapture. :coffee:

Well as long as we have to go through 3.5 years of World peace first then you guys are going to be here for quite some time yet :)

And for those who think the temple has to be rebuilt first, they'll probably have to go through at least two more life incarnations. muhahaha

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"Philippians 4:5

(5) Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

The New King James translates this literally. The margin, however, reads: "Let your forbearance or graciousness be known to all men." Let it shine. Why? "The Lord is at hand."

This is a Book written to us! We are coming upon the absolute worst time in human history, and Paul left us a note from nearly two thousand years ago, telling us that this time, as it was in the days of Noah, is the time to exhibit forbearance to all men. Forbearance should be on the top of our list of virtues that we want to include in our character. We should let our gentleness, graciousness, forbearance be known to all men, especially at the end. Squabbles, fights, and offenses only make things that much worse in this terrible era of human history.

Among us there should be peace and unity. If anyone is to be seen showing love and forbearance for one another, it should be God's church—and lately, in the past decade, we have failed the forbearance test. It does not mean we must put up with evil for long, but that we give others a chance to change. If they fail to change, then matters must be worked out so that there will be peace. But we have to start with forbearance."

Richard T. Ritenbaugh

From Forbearance

Related Topics:

Forbearance

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Longsuffering

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Peace Maker

Peace Making

Peace, Pursuing

Peacemaker

Peacemaking

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We will never be able to peaceably bring about such radical change across the globe as to change the minds of certain people who are obviously against the idea of world peace.

I think there are very few people who are "against the idea of world peace." I think very few people would say, "No I don't want world peace", if somebody (God, angels, demons, whoever) offered it to them.

No I think there are plenty of people who are for world peace and that a great deal of them cause more wars than not. Sure some peaceniks just think meditation will do it or that it'll be handed down from God just like that. But some people think the world will be at peace when their ideology, religious or otherwise, is spread across the globe. If everybody was Roman Catholic or Sunni Muslim, etc etc. So in order to advance their goal of "world peace" they decide to make war on their enemies who are just "standing in the way."

It's like walking in circles isn't it?

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I think there are very few people who are "against the idea of world peace." I think very few people would say, "No I don't want world peace", if somebody (God, angels, demons, whoever) offered it to them.

No I think there are plenty of people who are for world peace and that a great deal of them cause more wars than not. Sure some peaceniks just think meditation will do it or that it'll be handed down from God just like that. But some people think the world will be at peace when their ideology, religious or otherwise, is spread across the globe. If everybody was Roman Catholic or Sunni Muslim, etc etc. So in order to advance their goal of "world peace" they decide to make war on their enemies who are just "standing in the way."

It's like walking in circles isn't it?

A good point to which I agree. This is exactly what Jesus meant when He said "Peace I give to you, not as the world gives peace..." Peace is spiritual contentment in all things. When we have this God given peace, we forge our spears into pruning hooks and learn war no more.

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After running this topic for a year, I am convinced that maybe World Peace is not possible.

"Maybe?" So ... somewhere deep down inside you ... there is a tiny glimmer ... a vague hope ... a spark? OH yes there is ... I can TASTE it. You do give quite a few hints.

Thanks for bringing this up though. It is good to see all the wanna be Nazis come swarming out of the woodwork into the light of day where they can be identified.

Forgive me for being a bit rough and harsh here ... it is a little ... reactionary? After reading some of these posts ... I really wanted to shave my head, put on a sackcloth suit and throw dust into the air -- but then I said, "wait a minute, I'm no prophet -- so I'll just get PISSED OFF AS HELL and not try to hide it.

I am always getting myself into trouble from saying what's on my mind and not pulling any punches. "AMERICAN ARE TOO FRANK," a Chinese brother once told me. Yes, that is often the case. What you see is what you get. Chinese are very good at subtle implications that require much decoding and deciphering but not Americans. We are often just ... BLAH!!!

I have to say that I do love everyone here and am not accusing anyone of being anything --- only reacting to some of the utter foolishness being said.

Of course ... if the shoe fits ... wear it.

Everything around us in our environment says "world peace is NOT possible, FORGET IT." Right here among us many are proclaiming that we should not have false hopes but be realistic. Mankind is simply INCAPABLE of peace. Man is an ANIMAL ... an AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL. King of the Mountain is the ONLY game evolution ever plays and that means someone has to kill and someone has to die. This is just the way things ARE and will ALWAYS BE because that is the way the enitre Universe works. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

So, you say, war is inevitable and will continue into the unforeseeable future. People who say, "beat our swords into ploughshares" are just a bunch of unrealistic whining liberals. Religious fanatics perhaps.

Don't you people realize THAT PEACE IS NO LONGER OPTIONAL???? WILL IT TAKE A NUCLEAR WAR TO CONVINCE YOU???? Okay, then have one. EAT THE LUNCH YOU HAVE PREPARED. See how you like it. See how your children like it. You utter fools. I read some of the things said here and they make me VOMIT. Really. SHAME ON YOU.

I would say to those who say "man" is an "animal" .... DO NOT INSULT THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. NO ANIMAL ACTS IN THE SUICIDALLY DESTRUCTIVE WAY OF HOMO SAPIENS SAPIENS. NONE. WE WOULD DO WELL TO ACT MORE LIKE ANIMALS INSTEAD OF THE ROBOTIC MINDLESS SOULESS KILLING MACHINES WE HAVE BECOME IN THE NAME OF OUR "HIGHER" INTELLECT UNDER THE FRAUDULENT GUISE OF PIOUS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

This is COMPLETELY ABNORMAL FRIENDS. In fact ... it is 100% INSANE. EVEN CLINICALLY INSANE. To say, "oh mankind acts this way because he is an animal" is completely ignorant. I suggest you get to know some animals so you can learn to appreciate them.

So some dare say, "Those liberal peaceniks KNOW that THEY are NOT the "fittest" and try to justify their existance through deluding themselves and whining about "peace."

Those incipid vermin who pray and meditate are WEAK and STUPID because they are DELUDED into thinking life is something other than SUVIVAL OF THE FITTEST and they know that they are on their way down because they will not FIGHT. Those who will not FIGHT do not deserve to live. It's dog eat dog --- biggest, baddest dog wins -- weak dog dies. That's natures plan and so we will always have WAR.

BULL S**T

WAR is suicidal MADNESS. A practice COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO EVERY PRINCIPLE OF NATURE. ANTI-NATURE. COMPLETE PERVERSION. MENTAL SICKNESS. And .... a huge $$$ RACKET to boot.

No ... sorry friends ... WAR is NOT NECESSARY AT ALL. NEVER HAS BEEN. IT IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE MOST USELESS, NEGATIVE and DESTRUCTIVE of ALL HUMAN ENDEAVORS. Sorry to tell you that. I know some of you still love it and think it is GLORIOUS, eh? Some of you are still in a "let's save the World for democracy" mode. Still living in World War ONE. Sorry to tell you .... but WORLD WAR ONE MENTALITY IS NO LONGER APPROPRIATE. Really.

So the War Mongers say, "to be the fittest means to be the STRONGEST, MOST AGGRESIVE, MOST RUTHLESS. Being the "fittest" means having POWER OVER the weak and keeping them always in second place and subservient where they belong -- to be USED by the strong and then DISCARDED when their USEFULNESS RUNS OUT. Their only reason for existance is to be a tool and slave for their masters at the forefront of modern progress and glorious evoluton.

All that religious new age hogwash is nothing but weakness destined to be trampled by the strong -- the BEST -- those valiant victors who refuse to let mushy sentiment get in the way of their glorious triumph."

[And thank you all for attending this free course entitled "National Socialism 101"]

Oh yes, FASCISM is alive and well in 2009, I see.

After all I saw in Viet Nam, 0311 marine, and now seeing so many civilians around the world being slautered, maybe ya'll are 'right', there will never be Peace (in 'this world').

Maybe God's Plan has failed... (NOT)

Yes, God's plan is a total failure. How could he succeed, after all he is only the One Source of All That Is -- the Creator of Creation and the Father/Mother of us all. Might as well give up all ideas of "peace" and get what's yours while you still can. No use being polite anymore -- the weak are easy to shove out of the way at the pig trough. Show those weak whining liberals whose boss. Give 'em a taste of REALITY. FEED 'EM A KNUCKLE SANDWICH!

I will have to 'go with' the idea, think it's called 'the rapture', that We will split, some 'evolving' to a Peaceful Existence, some staying behind, like the dinosaurs.(this is not ego talk).

Actually ... I spent years and years studying about and contemplating the "rapture" and at one time rejected it all together. I found out later that what I was rejecting was some popularized man-made doctrines.

However, the more I study about this coming Convergence, the more I realize that the world is pretty well divided up into TWO basic types of people 1) those whose only desire is to serve their own egos and 2) those who only desire to serve their fellow beings. This really does seem to be two very basic spiritual orientations -- service to self and service to others.

It has been said by more than one group of very advanced beings that choosing ones spiritual orientation is what life here in third density existance is all about. Once that choice has been made, then a being can go on to fourth density experience where the primary lesson is CO=OPERATION.

Anyhow, this Nexus Event ,that is now underway, will make ALL THE FENCE SITTERS ... CHOOSE ... one way or the other.

Many have already made their choice. You can see both choices already being made right here on the forum.

Apparently ... there will be a SPLIT in the TIMELINE. MAGNETICALLY -- souls will go one way OR the other, depending upon the choice they have made -- either to serve self -- or --- to serve others. Those who choose to serve self will have the full opportunity to do so and will remain in third density experience. They will exist in a world of very severe HIERARCHY. A PECKING ORDER -- where the goal is to fight and claw ones way to the top of the heap. Some folks LOVE that. They LIVE for that.

Of course, no matter how high on the heap you go, there is always someone a little higher. EVERYONE has a BOSS. This is the type of world some folks believe in -- and will create.

In a sense it is a REPEAT of this world only without the burdens of compassion and sentiment to distract one from their primary goal to "GET TO THE TOP." All those who LOVE unbridaled competition will have their chance to see what they are really made of.

Good luck ... may the BEST MAN win.

On the other hand, those who wish to serve other beings, heal the planet, put an end to war, bring abundance to all people and desire to live by an all encompassing vision to explore the innumerable worlds of time and space will graduate into fourth density experience.

They will inherit THE EARTH according to her original destiny -- to be a garden of LIFE for all in the Universe to come and see -- a LIVING LIBRARY -- a Great Global Meditation Chamber of Life and Peace.

And according to another point of view -- a despicable liberal's pipe dream.

So, this is a HARVEST OF SOULS. SOME GRADUATE. SOME DO NOT. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what "religion" you are and everything to do with your HEART'S ORIENTATION.

No longer can the two orientations live side by side as they do now. The reason for that being that they severly hinder EACH OTHER'S desired progress. So ... a SPLIT must occur. It is not supernatural. It is entirely ENERGETIC -- a 100% NATURAL polarizing into TWO different TIMELINES -- on two different frequencies and therefore no longer visible to each other and no longer capable of interaction nor interference.

For BOTH of these spiritual orientations, the Universe is a SCHOOL ROOM. We either LEARN our lessons and graduate to the next grade -- or -- we fail to learn and must REPEAT THE COURSE. THERE IS NO ETERNAL DAMNATION HERE. AND ... EQUALLY .... THERE IS NO HEAVENLY PERFECTION HERE EITHER. There is only continued overcoming and becoming -- the very WAY of Creation and all creatures. There IS NO PUNISHMENT HERE EITHER. NOR IS THERE ANY "REWARD."

There is only the Law of Cause and Effect and our becoming AWARE of how that law works through DIRECT LIFE EXPEREINCE.

This is a coming into AWARNESS of WHAT IS.

Jesus told the guys on the cross next to him that they could not go with Him, cause they did not know 'the way'.

How can Ministers not believe, desire, crave for, Peace.

Some minister death. Others take up the ministry of reconcilliation. This is the choice of the two different spiritual orientations of which I speak.

Have you ever seen a child crying cause part of their body has been blow away(often with a bomb with usa written on it?)

Ever seen your friends killed in front of your eyes? Mutilated!...FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT!!!

My heart cries out because of this. Yes, FOR WHAT??? I'll tell you what for. One thing and one thing only. $$$$$. The god that this world fully serves at present --- MAMMON. Oh, I know some here need to think there is a different reason so as not to come face to face with the issue. The truth does not offer any slack.

Maybe we need to see these things to desire Peace.

I've never seen these things, yet I desire peace. In some cases, seeing these things may make a person so bitter and cynical that they toally despair. In other cases, such as yours, something inside you cried out, "THERE MUST BE A BETTER WAY!!!"

Indeed there IS a better way, brother. Oh yes there is. And those here who cannot see it must take a very hard road until they do. It is a matter of overcoming IGNORANCE. Much of that ignorance has been facitilitated by our reductionistic materialistic falsely so-called "scientific" paradigm, the fruit of which is total annihilation of our beautiful planet and all life upon her -- if left UNCHECKED. However, the wild-card has now appeared. And, even though it is RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONES EYES ... many will be totally unable to see it because of a severe case of tunnel vision and maglignant egophrenia.

What do you preach? War?

Maybe this is why war happens, so we can learn and grow...(if you choose to.)

Maybe this is just a grade level in school. The subject...LOVE.

This is not 'no child left behind'.

"If we are willing to argue for our weaknesses, we get to keep them."

All the military MIGHT. All the WEAPONS OF TOTAL DESTRUCTION. ALL THE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY is only .... UTTER FOOLISHNESS AND WEAKNESS. You see .... the BULLY is really the biggest coward of all, being the least confident and most afraid.

Yes, those here who are saying, "peace is impossible" will find JUST THAT and will dwell in continual CONFLICT. But, sorry friends ... you will have TO DO IT ELSEWHERE. Mother Earth has other plans.

All of the world's utter foolishness is about to come to a head. The coming "regional" conflict in the Middle East will not stay "regional" very long. So .... let the war mongers eat the lunch they have long prepared. After making all those weapons ... they are just itching to use them so they can recontract for MORE.

I suggest to all -- that deep silence is the key -- and that PEACE begins at home.

Peace be upon the earth and among all beings!

Namaste

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World peace will never happen so long as others try and use a 4k+ year old parable to try and make us see things their way.... The history of the story of Noah is fairly well figured out at this point.

There is no layer of clay around the earth.

None of the expeditions to Mt. Sinai have ever come back with any thing from that era.

Noah would have had to load, and feed, and keep separated, over 1 million species of animals... he would have had to load 1 pair of animals pr minute every minute of every hour of every day for 2 whole years, just for 1 million species. The spacial requirements would make the ark bigger than Easter Island. The journey to get just the panda bears, and feed them, would have taken up 20 years.

If you go with the original Jewish version of the story, of course, it becomes much more manageable- 1 pair of every clean animal, of which there were only 140 some at that period of time... but still.

Besides, objective biblical scholars have traced the story back linguistically, and found that it was added to the Jewish Holy books around the time they were liveing in Babylon, it being based off of the story of Gilgamesh, which was based off of even older Egyptian stories.

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World peace will never happen so long as others try and use a 4k+ year old parable to try and make us see things their way.... The history of the story of Noah is fairly well figured out at this point.

There is no layer of clay around the earth.

None of the expeditions to Mt. Sinai have ever come back with any thing from that era.

Noah would have had to load, and feed, and keep separated, over 1 million species of animals... he would have had to load 1 pair of animals pr minute every minute of every hour of every day for 2 whole years, just for 1 million species. The spacial requirements would make the ark bigger than Easter Island. The journey to get just the panda bears, and feed them, would have taken up 20 years.

If you go with the original Jewish version of the story, of course, it becomes much more manageable- 1 pair of every clean animal, of which there were only 140 some at that period of time... but still.

Besides, objective biblical scholars have traced the story back linguistically, and found that it was added to the Jewish Holy books around the time they were liveing in Babylon, it being based off of the story of Gilgamesh, which was based off of even older Egyptian stories.

Okay, so then, there must have been some cataclysmic event which occurred that prompted so many cultures to record Noah's story...or do you just think it's a metaphorical/allegorical fable?

If it is a fable then everyone just liked the story and decided to write it down...and we just keep telling it!

Edited by Yael - HaMorit

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More of an allegorical story... Not every culture had a flood myth, and not all of them were of (haha) Biblical proportions. Some had a fire myth, some a volcano.. and as can be shown with the Noah story, it will grow in the telling, and retelling.

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World peace will never happen so long as others try and use a 4k+ year old parable to try and make us see things their way.... The history of the story of Noah is fairly well figured out at this point.

There is no layer of clay around the earth.

None of the expeditions to Mt. Sinai have ever come back with any thing from that era.

Noah would have had to load, and feed, and keep separated, over 1 million species of animals... he would have had to load 1 pair of animals pr minute every minute of every hour of every day for 2 whole years, just for 1 million species. The spacial requirements would make the ark bigger than Easter Island. The journey to get just the panda bears, and feed them, would have taken up 20 years.

If you go with the original Jewish version of the story, of course, it becomes much more manageable- 1 pair of every clean animal, of which there were only 140 some at that period of time... but still.

Besides, objective biblical scholars have traced the story back linguistically, and found that it was added to the Jewish Holy books around the time they were liveing in Babylon, it being based off of the story of Gilgamesh, which was based off of even older Egyptian stories.

All I can say to that Feld is .. SO WHAT? INMO -- Whether there was a universal flood or not makes not a whit of difference. There IS evidence of a flood in Mesapotamia and of great geological shifts around the world. Many people have not yet awakend to the fact that a MYTH is NOT a lie. No. A MYTH is an alegorical story that is not written to be "history" but to reveal a principle about WHO WE ARE through metaphore. Kind of like poetry?

See Joseph Campbell's definition of a "MYTH." He does understand the ancients and how the ancient stories show us universally something about OURSELVES --- if we understand them holonomically instead of trying to read them linearly like a New York Times. By "holonomically" I mean the same way you read poetry -- on several levels having to consider the entire OVERALL story, its setting, its characters and the realtionship of all the events that happen instead of a bunch of little pieces to be strung together.

Does that make sense to you?

Linear "history," as we know know it in 2009, was not the way the ancients wrote AT ALL. As far as records of events were concerned they were recorded BY THE WINNERS and thus highly slanted -- full of indivdual concepts and prejudices. But ... linear "events" were not their thing in general, until you get to the Greek and Roman (very biased) "historians" and elaborating on stories was not considered to be deception but good creative writing. So don't judge the ancients too harshly but try to understand that they are coming from a different perspective than your own or the prespective of our present culture. The CONCEPTS were entirely different in those days. But, when we try to superimpose TODAYS concepts on the ancients and use the New York Times or Popular Mechanics or a Self-help book as a standard for them to live up to --- we compoetely MISS what they had to say because we read -- but do not comprehend.

And ... by the way ... the myth of the DELUGE exsited LONG before the Bible was ever penned. It is found in the oldest writings ever uncovered on earth -- the Sumerian Clay Tablets. Many buried under the mud form the Great Deluge in Mesapotamia. Others found as copies in ancient libraries. All the stories of Geneisis are also found there, scratched on clay tablets long before the OT was ever written -- only far more detailed and complete than the later stories found in the Bible. Very interesting too -- showing the reason for many common mispreceptions by those who try to create doctrines and dogmas and absolutisms out of a particular ancient manuscript that is not even THE ORIGINAL.

The Flood was originally called "The Great Deluge." The hero called Noah in the Bible was called Ziasudra in the original. And ... it was attibuted to the Anarctic Ice Shelf breaking off suddenly and causing a HUGE tsunami across the world or part of it. Mesapotamia didn't fare very well. It was due to one of the passage of Nibiru (which occurs every 3600 years) and also severly upset the weather. It was a cataclysm and the geological records show both a magnetic and physical pole shift on planet earth at that time. These events due to the passage of Nibiru are sometimes severe and sometimes considerably less severe. That one was a particually powerful one.

A LESS powerful one was:

The last passage of Nibiru -- which was recorded in the Bible as the Exodus but with considerable mythology -- not a "lie" as I said. However, the effects of the cylic passage of Nibiru was the setting for the story.

Let me use an analogy to help you understand what I am saying.

Is T.S. Elliot's poem "The Hollow Men" a lie? No of course not. Is Elliots "Journey of the Magi" a historical work? Of course not. It was never written to be "history" in the first place and yet tells us a WHOLE LOT about US eh?

Well, the ancient writing, including the Bible is the same.

The big problem throughout history has been that men begin to worship what they call a "sacred" text, put it up on a pedestal and make it into a frozen DOCTRINE which becomes a DOGMA and then they try to FORCE it via the sword upon all others. And ... what they are FORCING is THEIR INTERPRETATION of what the document says. Therefore two factions who disagree go to war with one another thinking "God is on our side." hahahah.

The Catholic Church INSISTED that every word written in their NT was directly from Almighty God and EVERYONE HAD to BELIEVE IT as ACCURATE HISTORY -- and -- they would burn people alive who disagreed. How nice. How holy.

This kind of totalitarianism was Roman inspired, of course, and prevailed strongly throughout the entire Christian era -- both Catholics AND Protestants who, although disagreeing factions, were equally as dogmatic in their MUTLIPLE views. Each of them at the others throat.

More blood has been shed in history over FALSE religious nonsense than any other item. Even RESOURCES are secondary to the fanaticims of ALL FLAVORS of religion. Of course, in my view and in the view of MANY, "RELIGION" has nothing whatever to do with genuine SPIRITUALITY. Nothing.

No wonder some people still have quite a problem with the "IANITY." I do too and refuse to call myself a "Christian" although I do understand what CHRIST IS and fully accept CHRIST. NOT THE IANITY. NONE OF IT. There is a difference. A BIG difference.

Unfortunately, we still have people today in the exact same mindset. They will glady murder others in the name of religion. Yep. Many flavors of them too. OF course, if they are not extreme enough to want to murder those who disagree -- at least they will let Almighty God do their dirty work for them and consign their "evil" enemies to eternal torture forever and ever while righteously pounding the book they made into a dumb idol which only speaks hatred and curses.

Jesus wept. So did Abraham. Mohammed blew himself up. Buddha just smiled and held up a lotus blossom. The Zen Master rolled on the floor laughing.

Namaste

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More of an allegorical story... Not every culture had a flood myth, and not all of them were of (haha) Biblical proportions. Some had a fire myth, some a volcano.. and as can be shown with the Noah story, it will grow in the telling, and retelling.

True. But the story was not simply a piece of invented fiction. As I point out in my other post, there was something behind it.

Actually the orignal Ziasudra story before Noah in the Bible was far more detailed and complete than the Noah story. In fact, the Noah stroy THROUGH OMISSION leads to many of the erroneous conclusions now accepted as "the word of God."

So, the dogmatizing of the Noah story assumred it would remain only partial -- even when the original was uncovered.

Namaste

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Bob, I thought you said all we need to do for world peace is grow a garden?

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