The Koran - What It Is And What It Isn't


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In another thread, a member of the forum mentioned more than one version of the Koran.

I queried it, and got this back:

Actually there are 2 versions of this book [the Koran] the lessor known version is the one that leaves out or replaces some of the harder to swallow parts; the big example being that ALL non-fairskinned non-Arabic peoples are infidels and are to be killed (very useful if you wish to convert the lowly infidels in Africa to do your wars for you in killing eachother off), the older version also says that Jews and Christians are to be given only one chance at conversion before they too are to be killed as infidels (bad if you wish to avoid the vast majority from getting in your way). Yeah I know you are thinking its a wack job to think this but then have you read the books? There are many versions of the bible and though the translations differ at least it is more or less the same though with a bit that has been seriously mistranslated from the original languages.

I have challenged the poster to supply sources for this extraordinary statement (and am breathlessly waiting for an answer), but it also raises issues, for me, about how a little ignorance can lay us open to a host of more or less pernicious falsehoods about religions we do not follow, beliefs we do not happen to share, and groups of people we may perhaps fear.

The reason it does so is because there are expressions and assumptions made in the statement I've quoted which could not be made by anyone with even a very small acquaintaince with what the Koran is supposed to be - expressions that one can fairly use about the Bible, for example, but which do not happen to apply to the Koran.

I should add that I am not a Muslim, or indeed a theist. On the other hand, I have known many Muslims of different denominations, live in a Muslim country, speak some Arabic, and have learnt over many years a great deal of facts about Islam.

So, although I do not believe what Muslims believe, I do at least have some idea of what Islam is supposed by Muslims to be.

(If there are any Muslims here who would like to correct me on any statement I make here, I'd welcome the input!)

I'll take the misconceptions in the quote one by one as I have time.

In the meantime, I'm looking forward to finding out where this bizarre "information" in the quote came from.

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so am i.

it's been a long time since i read the koran,but as i remember,it states who the children of the"book" are.while i don't remember all of them,the jews are one.(i can't remember if christians are listed specifically).if memory serves me correct(and it usually doesn't)the koran is one long poem,written by mohammed,while in mecca.the reason for the"children of the book"is because(?)those were the groups living there at the time.

i sincerly wish abdullah(no offense if spelled wrong)was still active.he is or was as close to an iman(if he isn't already one)as we have had in a long time.

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It is my understanding that the Koran, as written in Arabic, is virtually, if not identical in all existing and published copies and western academics have never found a text that was "any differences of great significance". Likely due to the Caliph's burning/boiling of all other "verision" around 650.

Mark, take a look at this. It is the "Chapter of Mary" and specifically writes about Mary and Jesus. Infact if i recall correctly the Koran writes more on Mary the mother of Jesus then the NT.

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From the following verses it seems as if the Koran is a book about someone who need serious psychological help

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10

Allah mocks the unbelievers, "leaving them to wander blindly." 2:15

Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

"Whosoever hath done evil and his sin surroundeth him; such are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:81

If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

"Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."

There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one. 2:48

Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61

Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66

Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88

The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98

Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114

"And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126

Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159

Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162

They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167

Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175

Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193

Do unto those who attack you like they did unto you. 2:194

"Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah." 2:195

Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206

"But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221

The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254

Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264

"Those who swallow usury ... are rightful owners of the Fire." 2:275

"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12

"Guard us from the punishment of Fire." 3:16

Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19

Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21

"They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28

Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32

Allah preferred Adam, Noah, the Family of Abraham, and the Family of 'Imran above all His creatures. 3:33

Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85

Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91

"Ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire, and He did save you from it." 3:103

Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6

Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131

Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147

Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151

"Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"

Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162

Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176

Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178

Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant." (The rest will burn forever in the Fire.) 3:185

Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. 3:188

"Preserve us from the doom of Fire." 3:191

"Our Lord! Whom Thou causest to enter the Fire: him indeed Thou hast confounded. For evil-doers there will be no helpers." 3:192

Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196

Don't steal from orphans (or Allah will burn you forever in hell). 4:10

Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14

Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15

For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18

You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they flagrantly lewd. 4:19

"All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."

You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24

"We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah." 4:30

Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Women must obey men, and if they refuse they must be punished. Refuse to have sex with them and beat them into submission (Islam). 4:34

"(The slaves) whom your right hands possess" 4:36

For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37

"Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged."

Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his 'letter to America' as a justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks. 4:39

"Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not." 4:46

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116

Those who invent lies about Allah are guilty of flagrant sin. 4:50

Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51

"Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Obey Allah, Muhammad, and those in authority. Refer all disputes to Allah and Muhammad. 4:59

Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60

Those who refuse to believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad are hypocrites. 4:61

Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63

The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66

Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63

The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66

Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76

Whatever good happens to you is from Allah; whatever bad happens is from you. 4:79

Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92

Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93

"Their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end." 4:97

The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101

For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102

Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104

Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115

Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137

For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138

Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140

Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141

No one (not even Muhammad) can help those that Allah sends astray. 4:143

Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144

The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151

For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169

If you don't do good works, Allah will punish you with a painful doom. 4:173

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14

The first act of religious violence occurs because Allah prefers one sacrifice over another. 5:27

"The owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers." 5:29

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36

Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37

Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38

"Allah ... punisheth whom He will, and forgiveth whom He will." 5:40

Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45

Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

"Had Allah willed He could have made you one community."

But he decided to reveal a bunch of different, contradictory reliigions and then command each group of believers to kill each other in his name. 5:48

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53

Allah could replace nonbelievers with believers who would love him and do whatever he says. 5:54

Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57

Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59

Allah has turned some Christians and Jews into apes and swine. 5:60

Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63

Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67

The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86

Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94

After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115

Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6:6

"See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11

"Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20

Allah has made it impossible for some to believe. 6:25

Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28

"Evil-doers flout the revelations of Allah." 6:33

"If Allah willed, He could have brought them all together to the guidance."

(But he chose not to, deciding to torment most of humanity forever in hell.) 6:35

Those who deny Allah's revelations are deaf and dumb. Allah will send them astray. 6:39

Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70

When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93

Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110

Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125

Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 6:128

Let the idolaters kill their children. It is Allah's will. 6:137

Allah could have guided everyone, but he chose not to. 6:149

The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 7:4-5

Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9

Allah allows Iblis to lead people astray (and then sends them all to hell). 7:14-16

Iblis claims that Allah sent him astray (and Allah doesn't deny it). 7:16

Allah banishes Iblis and promises to fill hell with those who are mislead by him. 7:18

Men and women are enemies! (Or is it humans and Iblis? Sometimes Allah isn't all that clear about these things.) 7:24

Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27

Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30

Only believers go to heaven. 7:32

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36

Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37

Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 7:38

"Taste the doom for what ye used to earn." 7:39

Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41

Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44

Those in the Garden will plead with Allah not to be cast into the Fire. 7:47

Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50

Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51

Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59

Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64

Disbelievers are liars. 7:66

Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71

"We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72

Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78

Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.

7:83-84

"So the earthquake seized them."

Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91

"How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?"

Shu'eyb tells the Allah's victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93

"We did afflict its folk with tribulation and adversity that haply they might grow humble." 7:94

"Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not."

Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99

Allah makes it so that some cannot be believers. 7:100-1

"We straitened Pharaoh's folk with famine."

Allah sent a famine on all of the Egyptians to punish Pharaoh. 7:130

"So We sent against them the flood and the locusts and the vermin and the frogs and the blood - a succession of clear signs." 7:133

"We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations." 7:136

"We annihilated (all) that Pharaoh and his folk had done." 7:137

Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9

Allah preferred Moses to all other humans. 7:144

Allah will mislead non-Muslims, forcing them to choose "the way of error." 7:146

"Those who deny Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, their works are fruitless." 7:147

Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152

Allah sends some astray. 7:155

"Those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful." 7:157

"But those of them who ... changed the word ... We sent down upon them wrath from heaven." 7:162

Allah presented the Jews a big fish on the Sabbath day when they were forbidden to fish, and then withheld the fish on the day that they were permitted to fish. That'll teach them! 7:163

"Why preach ye to a folk whom Allah is about to destroy or punish with an awful doom?" 7:164

"When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We ... visited [them] with dreadful punishment." 7:165

Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166

Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167

Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177

Allah sends some people astray. They are losers. 7:178

Allah has already sent many people and jinn to hell. They were worse than cows: they couldn't see or hear and were neglectful. 7:179

Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3

Allah leads some people astray. There is no guide for them. They are left to wander alone blindly. 7:186

"The spoils of war belong to Allah and his messenger. So obey Allah and his messenger." 8:1

"Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers."

Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12

Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16

Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17

Allah wrecks the plans of disbelievers. 8:18

Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35

Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36

"The wicked will He place piece upon piece, and heap them all together, and consign them unto hell." 8:37

Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39

Allah, Muhammed, and "the kinsman" (Muhammed's relatives?) each get a one-fifth cut of the "spoils of war." 8:41

The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50

If you think another party will break a treaty, then break it yourself before they get a chance to do so. 8:58

Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67

He [Allah] gave thee [Muhammad] power over them."

Allah gave Muhammad slaves as war booty. 8:70-1

Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73

Allah and Muhammad are not bound by treaties made with idolaters (except for those who don't oppose Allah or Muhammad). 9:1-4

"Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5

Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6

Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14

Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17

"Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst ... as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?"

Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19

Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23

If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives ... are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger ... then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass." 9:24

Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26

Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28

Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29

Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34

Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and backs branded. 9:35

In war with idolaters, do unto them as they do unto you. 9:36

Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37

Don't try to enjoy this life. The fun starts after you die. (If you are a good Muslim, that is.) 9:38

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39

Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41

Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42

Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49

"Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52

Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53

Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60

Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62

Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63

Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73

Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74

"Theirs will be a painful doom." 9:79

God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80

Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83

Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84

"Those who believe with him [Muhammad] strive with their wealth and their lives ... are the succeessful."

Those who fight for Islam with their lives and money are the successful. They will be rewarded by Allah. 9:88

For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90

Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95

The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98

"We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109

Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113

Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123

Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125

Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4

If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad's **, Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8

Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13

Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17

"Ignominy overtaketh them - They have no protector from Allah - as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire." 10:27

On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45

"His doom cometh unto you as a raid by night." 10:50

The damned will feel remorse for what they have done, but it will not save them from the doom that Allah has prepared. 10:54

Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70

Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73

Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88

Though the Pharaoh submitted to Allah before he drowned, Allah did not accept him, but saved his body to be a sign for those who think they can slip by with a last-minute conversion. 10:91-92

If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97

"It is not for any soul to believe save by the permission of Allah."

Allah forces people to believe or disbelieve. Then revwards or tortures them for it. 10:100

"The doom cannot be averted from them, and that which they derided will surround them." 11:8

Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17

Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19

Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39

Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42

Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48

"Lo! there cometh unto them a doom which cannot be repelled." 11:76

Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah by dropping burning stones on them. 11:82-83

Lo! Is fear for you the doom of a besetting Day." 11:84

"Ye will soon know on whom there cometh a doom that will abase him." 11:93

"He ... will lead them to the Fire for watering-place." 11:98

Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 11:106-7

"Incline not toward those who do wrong lest the Fire touch you." 11:113

Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 11:119

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5

Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14

Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18

"Allah sendeth whom He will astray." 13:27

Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34

The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35

"When Allah doometh there is none that can postpone His doom." 13:41

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2

Allah sends some people astray. 14:4

Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 14:16-17

If Allah feels like it he can remove you and replace you with someone he likes better. 14:19-20

There is no escape from Allah's doom. 14:21

"Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22

Allah leads wrong-doers astray and then sends them to hell. 14:27-29

"They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30

"Warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them." 14:44

Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 14:49-50

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3

Iblis claims that Allah sent him astray (and Allah doesn't deny it) 15:39

Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43

Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 15:50

Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 16:9

Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 16:22

Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29

Disbelievers are liars. 16:39

Allah "will cause the earth to swallow" those who plan ill-deeds. the doom will come on them when they least expect it. 16:45

Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62

"Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63

Allah creates you and then kills you after making senile for a while. He's just thay type of guy. 16:70

"The Hour of Doom is but a twinkling of the eye." 16:77

"When those who did wrong behold the doom, it will not be made light for them." 16:85

Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88

Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94

Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106

Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8

Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10

Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16

How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17

Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18

"Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39

Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46

"Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned." 17:57

Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 17:58

Whoever follows Iblis will be cast into hell. 17:63

Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98

The worst thing you can do is to "invent lies about Allah." 18:15

"He maketh none to share in His government."

Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29

Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52

Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 18:53

Nothing prevents non-muslims from believing in Islam. So it's their own fault when they are sent to their doom. 18:55

The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57

There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 18:58

Allah has destroyed many towns. 18:59

On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100

Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102

The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105

Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106

"Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day."

Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70

Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75

Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79

Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83

Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86

Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98

Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48

"There [in hell] he will neither die nor live." 20:74

Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127

Allah has destroyed many generations. 20:128

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6

The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 21:15

"And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29

Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40

Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot. He was a righteous man. (21:Genesis 19:7-38) 21:75

Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 21:77

The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99

When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and men will act like they are drunk. 22:1-2

The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 22:3-4

Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9

Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15

"There are many unto whom the doom is justly due. Allah doeth what he will." 22:18

Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22

Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25

How many towns Allah has destroyed! 22:45

"They will bid thee hasten on the Doom." 22:47

Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51

"Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72

You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls "that your right hand possess." 23:6

Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 23:27

Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77

"Those whose scales are light are those who lose their souls, in hell abiding." 23:103

When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 23:104

Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117

Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2

Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 24:3

If you accuse an honorable women of adultery, be sure to bring four witness. Otherwise you will receive 80 lashes. 24:4

A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. 24:6

Those who spread slander will face an awful doom. 24:11

Those who murmur will face an awful doom. 24:14

Those who traduce virtuous, believing women ... cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 24:26

Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31

Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55

Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57

It's okay for believers to own slaves. 24:58

The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13

Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 25:19

It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27

"Those who will be gathered on their faces unto hell" 25:34

Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36

Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37

"They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42

Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52

"The doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish." 25:65

Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69

"Hell will appear plainly to the erring." 26:91

Allah killed those that ignored Hud's warnings. 26:124-139

Allah destroyed the people in Lot's town with a dreadful rain. 26:172-3

Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201

Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5

"Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 27:51

But he "saved those who believed." 27:53

Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 27:58

Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 27:90

"We made them (evil-doers) patterns that invite unto the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped." 28:40-42

Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 28:58

Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64

Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 28:79-81

Never help disbelievers. 28:86

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23

"Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah ... on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25

Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52

The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68

When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16

It's OK to own slaves. 30:28

Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45

Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59

Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7

Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24

Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13

Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14

Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20

The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22

He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8

Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1

Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19

Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26

The wives of Muhammad will be punished double for lewdness. (And that is easy for Allah.) 33:30

The wives of Muhammad are not like other women. They must not leave their houses. 33:32-33

When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36

Allah gave Zeyd to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 33:37

Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48

It's OK to own slaves. 33:50

Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51

If men must speak to Muhammad's wives they must speak from behind a curtain. And no one must ever marry one of his wives. 33:53

But it's OK for Muhammad's wives to talk with certain people. 33:55

It's OK to own slaves. 33:55

Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57

Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61

Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65

The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5

Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8

But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 34:12

"They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33

Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38

Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 34:41

Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45

Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46

Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52

The devil is real. He and his followers will burn forever in the Fire. 35:6

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7

Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 35:8

"Those who plot iniquities ... will have an awful doom." 35:10

Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26

Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7

He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39

Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36:31

If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 36:43

Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4

Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23

Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38

"Then looketh he and seeth him in the depth of hell." 37:55

If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57

Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 37:62-68

Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82

Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 37:102

Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8

Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136

No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3

Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9

Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3

Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8

Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14

Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26

Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27

David was an excellent slave of Allah. 38:30

The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9

"Whoever did prepare this for us, oh, give him double portion of the Fire!" 38:61

Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 38:79-85

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8

Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13

The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 39:15-16

No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19

Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 39:23

"Wrong-doers" will be taunted while suffering in an "awful doom." 39:24

The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25

Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 39:36

"They ... will seek to ransom themselves ... from the awful doom." 39:47

Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55

Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59

Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60

Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63

Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65

Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72

Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 40:5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6

Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10

When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 40:18

Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22

Those that Allah sends astray will have no helper or guide. 40:33

Allah deceives those who doubt. 40:34

Disbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 41:41-42

The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 40:43

"A dreadful doom encompassed Pharaoh's folk." 40:45

The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 40:46

While burning in the Fire, they argue about who is to blame. 40:47

Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50

Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56

Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60

Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63

Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72

Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73

Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74

Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76

When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85

Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6

Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 41:15-16

"The doom of humiliation overtook them because of what they used to earn." 41:17

The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20

Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24

Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28

"Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40

Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50

While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 42:7

"Allah bringeth whom He will into His mercy. And the wrong-doers have no friend nor helper." 42:8

In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."

Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10

Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16

For wrong-doers there is a painful doom. 42:21

"And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26

Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 42:34

"For such there is a painful doom." 42:42

Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46

If bad stuff happens to you, it's your own fault. 42:30, 42:48

"And thou wilt see them exposed to (the Fire), made humble by disgrace." 42:45

Allah makes some people barren. (Whenever he feels like it.) 42:50

Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39

When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 43:55

Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 43:65-66

The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 43:74-75

"But they will come to know."

Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16

Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 44:43-48

"He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell."

(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8

Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10

Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11

Allah sends some people astray, making it impossible for them to hear or see. 45:23

Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31

"Your habitation is the Fire, and there is none to help you." 45:34

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20

Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21

The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 46:25

Allah has destroyed entire towns. 46:27

If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31

Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34

Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1

Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3

Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4

Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9

Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12

Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 47:15

Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 47:23

Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27

Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32

Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6

Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

"Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17

But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20

Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25

Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29

Do not lift your voice when in Muhammad's presence. Those who subdue their voices are righteous and will receive an immense reward from Allah. 49:1-3

Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26

"We say unto hell: Art thou filled? and it saith: Can there be more to come?"

Allah talks to hell about it's occupancy level. 50:30

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 50:36

Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14

"We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37

Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60

Lo! the doom of thy Lord will surely come to pass." 52:7

Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16

"Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."

(Everyone else is going to hell -- and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18

"Allah hath been gracious unto us and hath preserved us from the torment of the breath of Fire." 52:27

Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34

The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 54:46-48

Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 54:51

"There will be sent, against you both, heat of fire and flash of brass, and ye will not escape." 55:35

The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44

But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 56:42-43

Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54

Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94

Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 15:57

Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4

For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5

Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8

Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15

Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17

Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20

On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11

The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13

The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17

The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1

Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9

Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13

Allah loves those who fight for him. 61:4

Allah leads some people astray. 61:5

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7

Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9

"O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4

Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6

"Might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers." 63:8

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10

Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5

The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 66:6

Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9

The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 66:10

Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7

Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28

Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9

Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16

"Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35

"Lo! it is the fire of hell Eager to roast." 70:15

Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30

"Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28

You don't have to be chaste around your wives or your slave girls. 70:29-30

Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44

Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1

Those that Allah drowned in Noah's flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 71:25

Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10

Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17

The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 74:27-29

Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31

Allah is the font of fear. 74:56

Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29

The doom is coming soon. 75:35

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4

Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24

Allah has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 76:31

Allah destroyed "the former folk." 77:16

Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49

Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29

Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30

"Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40

Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42

The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82:14-16

Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17

The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36

Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 84:11-12

Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24

"(Self-)destroyed were the owners of the ditch Of the fuel-fed fire." 85:4-5

Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10

Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16

"Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17

Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 87:12-13

On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 88:2-7

Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24

Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20

"Allah doomed them for their sin" and burned their houses. 91:14

Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16

Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6

Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18

Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6

What is the Calamity? It is a day when dead people's bodies will be scattered like moths, consumed in a raging fire. 101:1-11

Allah will show humans hellfire and then he will ask them about pleasure. 102:5-7

Some rich folks will be flung into the Consuming One, the fire of Allah. 104:4-6

Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3

Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5

"I seek refuge ... from the evil of that which He created."

Allah is the creator of evil. We must try to avoid Allah's evil creations. 113:1-2

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It is my understanding that the Koran, as written in Arabic, is virtually, if not identical in all existing and published copies and western academics have never found a text that was "any differences of great significance". Likely due to the Caliph's burning/boiling of all other "verision" around 650.

Mark, take a look at this. It is the "Chapter of Mary" and specifically writes about Mary and Jesus. Infact if i recall correctly the Koran writes more on Mary the mother of Jesus then the NT.

true.the story is a little different.but in islam,there is only one god,and he is allah.jesus,abraham,moses,jacob,were all prophets in islam,but nothing more.

fawzo,where did you find all that?it loks like bin ladens web site.

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fawzo,where did you find all that?it loks like bin ladens web site.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

Those are just the verses listed under "injustice". They also have the Bible and Book of Mormon.

I actually picked up a Koran and started to read it once. I opened the book randomly and read a passage which seemed to rate women as half as valuable as men and I tossed it in the trash.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

Those are just the verses listed under "injustice". They also have the Bible and Book of Mormon.

I actually picked up a Koran and started to read it once. I opened the book randomly and read a passage which seemed to rate women as half as valuable as men and I tossed it in the trash.

Your all correct, It condouns hate a killing, The Muslims sholud be burning the book they read, instead of the American Flag.

God Bless!!

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According to all strands of Islam, there are no "versions" of the Koran. Just the thing itself.

The reason is that the Koran was supposedly written by God.

Not written by prophets under divine inspiration, as is claimed for the Bible, but actually inscribed by the hand of God in heaven.

God, logically, does not do drafts!

(Oh, and God writes in Classical Arabic, but then you'd expect that.)

So, any idea that there could be more than one version of the Koran is immediately heretical in Islam.

Any Muslim suggesting such a view would be drummed out of the Brownies.

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According to all strands of Islam, there are no "versions" of the Koran. Just the thing itself.

The reason is that the Koran was supposedly written by God.

Not written by prophets under divine inspiration, as is claimed for the Bible, but actually inscribed by the hand of God in heaven.

God, logically, does not do drafts!

(Oh, and God writes in Classical Arabic, but then you'd expect that.)

So, any idea that there could be more than one version of the Koran is immediately heretical in Islam.

Any Muslim suggesting such a view would be drummed out of the Brownies.

I can't rememeber where I put my notes on this, but I remember something happening about the time the whole sunni / shia dispute broke out that one or the other collected up all the manuscripts because of variant reading and standardized the text; burning all the variants.

I do know for a fact that there are versions of the Koran. A version is a translation into a different language, a copy in the original language is a manuscript. You can write the Saudi embassy and ask for a Koran and they will send you the equvilent of a "Scofield Bible" type Koran in English with foot notes and explainations.

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According to all strands of Islam, there are no "versions" of the Koran. Just the thing itself.

The reason is that the Koran was supposedly written by God.

Not written by prophets under divine inspiration, as is claimed for the Bible, but actually inscribed by the hand of God in heaven.

God, logically, does not do drafts!

(Oh, and God writes in Classical Arabic, but then you'd expect that.)

So, any idea that there could be more than one version of the Koran is immediately heretical in Islam.

Any Muslim suggesting such a view would be drummed out of the Brownies.

Blue,

I understand where your coming from, but it is well documented even by Arabic scholars that prior to about 650 CE there were multiple versions of the Koran that were united.

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I can't rememeber where I put my notes on this, but I remember something happening about the time the whole sunni / shia dispute broke out that one or the other collected up all the manuscripts because of variant reading and standardized the text; burning all the variants.

Such a thing is impossible for Muslims to contemplate doing.

[Please note that I'm not saying that it may not have been done, in fact. All sorts of things that are strictly forbidden have actually happened in history.]

However, my aim in this thread is not to convince anyone that what Muslims believe is actually objectively true. Given that I don't myself subscribe to Muslim beliefs, it would be kind of bizarre for me to do that.

I don't subscribe to Muslim beliefs, but it seems I do at least know what they are... and living where I do, I am surrounded by hundreds of knowledgeable informants.

My aim is to clarify what Islam actually does teach, as I have noticed considerable ignorance, misinformation and false analogies being made on the subject.

I suspect that the information you draw on above, Coolhand, confuses the Koran with the Hadith, and the interpretations of the Koran and Hadith which form the basis of Muslim jurisprudence around the world.

What's the difference between Koran and Hadith?

The Koran, according to Muslims, is the book written in Arabic by God and memorised word by word by Muhammed.

As such, it cannot be considered to have variants, editorial changes, or different drafts.

Memorising and copying out the book is still a major part of people's religious practice, and there is the highest possible premium placed on total accuracy, down to the punctuation marks and the precise details of the brush strokes.

The Hadith is a collection of information about the Prophet, his life, his habits (fond of cats, apparently) and his sayings. It also includes stories about his Companions, the first people to hear about the new religion from him.

The Hadith has enormous force within Islam, but is essentially stuff about human beings, reported by other human beings, and handed down and debated over the centuries.

As all humans are conisidered fallible in Islam, there are and have been variant Hadiths, Hadiths accepted by one group and not by others, and so on.

In this respect, it is a lot more like the various books of the Bible and the Apocrypha, where there have been debates about different texts and about different canons throughout Christian history, than it is like the Koran.

The Hadith is (somewhat) debatable and debated within Islam. The Koran is not.

The Hadith is said to have been standardised for the Sunni in (if memory serves) the 9th century - about 150 years after Muhammed's death - under one of the Caliphs... which would postdate the rift between Sunni and Shia.

I do know for a fact that there are versions of the Koran. A version is a translation into a different language, a copy in the original language is a manuscript.

Er... no.

For a start, that is not what those words mean.

ver·sion

noun (plural ver·sions)Definition: 1. account of something: an account of something, given from a specific point of view

2. specific variety: a form or variety of something that is different from others or from the original

bullet.giftrans.gifa later version of the text

3. adaptation of something: an adaptation of something for another medium, e.g. a book made into a play or film

4. translation of something: a translation of something into another language

5. Bible translation: a particular translation of the Bible

Translation:

trans·la·tion [ transs láysh'n, tranz láysh'n ] (plural trans·la·tions)

noun Definition: 1. version in another language: a word, phrase, or text in another language that has a meaning equivalent to that of the original

2. expressing of something in different language: the rendering of something written or spoken in one language in words of a different language

bullet.giftrans.gifIt loses a little in translation.

Manuscript
man·u·script [ mánnyə skrìpt ] (plural man·u·scripts)

noun Definition: 1. handwritten book: a book or other text written by hand, especially one written before the invention of printing

In my initial post, I quoted another forum member whose comments sparked off this thread.

It seems pretty clear to me that he is using the word "version" in its most common meaning of "variety" (he talks, precisely, about there being different versions containing differing precepts and rules) and "translation" as meaning "a rendering of a text from one language into another".

I'm using those words in the same way.

(I should add that in 30 years as an English teacher, editor, translator and teacher of translation it is the first time I've come across the word "version" used to mean "translation of the Bible" - so thank you for the new information. However, it is yet another example of drawing a mistaken analogy between Christian ideas about the Bible and Muslim ideas about the Koran.)

You can write the Saudi embassy and ask for a Koran and they will send you the equvilent of a "Scofield Bible" type Koran in English with foot notes and explainations.

Not exactly.

If you ask for a Koran (and you are writing in English), they will give you a translation of the Koran into English. If you write to them in Italian, they'll send you an Italian version - and I do mean version in the sense of "variant".

I know that sounds like a distinction without a difference, because for most of us, it is.

But not for Muslims.

Think for a moment from the point of view of someone who believes that there is a book literally written by the hand of God, an actual manuscript by God.

Not inspired by God and written down by a prophet, but each and every word selected and actually written by God.

This is what Islam teaches about the Koran.

It follows that the meaning and the power of the Koran is not only in the meanings the words have, but also in the choice of the words, the word order, the associations those words have, and in the sounds of those words, and in the entire Arabic language itself.

It's often said that "Poetry is what gets lost in translation." Muslims believe that the Koran is what gets lost in translation.

Properly speaking, the Koran only exists in the original Classical Arabic (which is now no longer the language that anyone speaks at home, but which is believed by Muslims to be the language of God and the angels).

The advantage of this belief, obviously, is that there is no debate about translation validity in Islam, as there is within Christianity about the Bible.

The Koran is the Koran, in exactly those Arabic words, and in exactly that word order, and with exactly the classical pronounciation.

Any variation from that is no longer the Koran.

So, all translations are more or less invalid for Muslims. No translation can be the actual Koran, because the words and the language in a translation were chosen by a human translator, and the Koran's words were chosen and written by God.

There was a massive debate within Islam about whether it was even permissable to make any kind of translation at all during the expansion of the Caliphate period, when Arab Muslims invaded and converted the Persians, the Turks (who did not then inhabit Turkey), much of Indonesia and the many Central Asian and North African peoples.

As the new Muslims did not speak Classical Peninsula Arabic, some Muslims thought that a rendering of the Koran into their languages would be a useful teaching aid to get the basics across.

This was considered a demonically heretical idea for centuries. There are still Muslims today who believe all translation creates a false Koran and is therefore to be shunned. (And there are still Koranic schools which teach a parrot-fashion recitation of the holy words which neither teacher nor pupils understand, but which they all believe they are benefitting from... cos they are God's words whether we understand them or not).

However, the translators won the day, mainly because they wanted to help people convert to Islam. Which is why the Saudis would like you to collect your free copy.

But if you did convert, you'd have to start learning and reciting the real words of the actual Koran toute suite.

Sorry to hammer this out at such great length, but it is such a fundamental misconception of Islam to talk about there being more than one Koran (more than one translation, by all means, but no translation can be the Koran).

The idea, in the post I quoted at the start, that one believing Muslim could approach another to enter an inner circle where a "different Koran" was revealed, is totally absurd if you know what Islam teaches about the Koran's uniqueness. People have been beheaded for less.

Those of you who enter into textual debate about Bible translations and the vexed relationship between Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin and English Bibles, may appreciate the lack of hassles Islamic teaching about their Holy Book gives them.

It certainly has the virtue of simplifying things.

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A few corrections/clarifications to my posting:

- A manuscript is a HANDWRITTEN copy prior to mechanical printing.

- A version is what happens as a result of translation because people translate things differently.

- Dr Robert Morey was were I heard that you could write the Saudi embassy and request a copy of the Koran in English. He used to preach Sunday nights at a church I attended about 10 years ago. He would bring his Koran and his multi volume Hadith and answer questions. However, I thought he was a little more entertainment than education. He said he tried to contact Imams to debate with them, but he alleged that they only wanted to talk to Jimmy Swaggert, I guess referring to the Dedat/Swaggert debates of 1986 (or somewhere around: mid to late 80's)..lol. Whether that is actully true or not I don't know. Dr. Morey claimed at the time to have PhD in Islamic studies, but I found that his only accredited doctorate is in ministry (DMin). So I very well could be wrong on what I had orignally posted.

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A few corrections/clarifications to my posting:

- A manuscript is a HANDWRITTEN copy prior to mechanical printing.

- A version is what happens as a result of translation because people translate things differently.

- Dr Robert Morey was were I heard that you could write the Saudi embassy and request a copy of the Koran in English. He used to preach Sunday nights at a church I attended about 10 years ago. He would bring his Koran and his multi volume Hadith and answer questions. However, I thought he was a little more entertainment than education. He said he tried to contact Imams to debate with them, but he alleged that they only wanted to talk to Jimmy Swaggert, I guess referring to the Dedat/Swaggert debates of 1986 (or somewhere around: mid to late 80's)..lol. Whether that is actully true or not I don't know. Dr. Morey claimed at the time to have PhD in Islamic studies, but I found that his only accredited doctorate is in ministry (DMin). So I very well could be wrong on what I had orignally posted.

You can buy a translation of the Koran in most languages and in practically any country. And I'm sure the Saudis would send you a free one if you asked. There are various charitable organisations that distribute free translations, too.

But they are not what Muslims consider the be 'The Koran' itself.

Just think how certain debates in Christianity would be simplified (perhaps) if translating the Bible was frowned upon and every Christian was set to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin!

Here (the United Arab Emirates) translations of the Koran into the numerous languages spoken by the expats are subsidised by the Ministry for Religious Affairs, and are cheap. There are numerous charities that will give you a free copy if you like.

I guess that also means that the translations are very carefully looked at by religious and lingusitic experts, so that they are at the least not terribly misleading renditions (but, not being the actual words of God, they are always going to be nothing like the real thing in Islamic teaching).

Of course any secular publisher can publish their own translations, and they do.

I used to have my father's old Everyman edition (published in the 1930s), which was in (not very good) English verse, as well as a Penguin Classics edition from the 1950s (which became controversial as apparently some of the renderings were quite misleading - plus the fact that the translator was Jewish annoyed some of the men with beards and beads).

As you can imagine, Muslims having only just by a whisker agreed that it is permissible to translate the Koran at all, the debate around who should translate it, and how certain passages should be translated can be pretty fierce.

What there isn't, is any debate within Islam about what the Koran actually says, because it says what it says, and it says it in Arabic.

What it means is another matter, and has occupied scholars for the whole of Muslim history to date.

Arabic is a hugely poetic, allusive, complex language, where all the words have multiple shades of meaning. (In Jonathan Raban's book Arabia, he describes looking up the root word for "child". It includes meanings that can be rendered "intruder", "nuisance" and many other deeply sceptical terms. The root word for "mother" includes "illiteracy" "ignorance"...

Actually knowing what meaning is indicated is difficult enough even for modern Arabic speakers looking at an ordinary piece of modern Arabic... which for an English teacher means I am constantly asking my students of writing what they mean to say.)

But there is no doubt about what the actual words of the Koran are - anyone can see them, whether or not they can read and interpret them.

This is why the 'Satanic Verses' was such a hot topic... more on that in a later post, if anyone's interested.

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You can buy a translation of the Koran in most languages and in practically any country. And I'm sure the Saudis would send you a free one if you asked. There are various charitable organisations that distribute free translations, too.

But they are not what Muslims consider the be 'The Koran' itself.

Just think how certain debates in Christianity would be simplified (perhaps) if translating the Bible was frowned upon and every Christian was set to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin!

Here (the United Arab Emirates) translations of the Koran into the numerous languages spoken by the expats are subsidised by the Ministry for Religious Affairs, and are cheap. There are numerous charities that will give you a free copy if you like.

I guess that also means that the translations are very carefully looked at by religious and lingusitic experts, so that they are at the least not terribly misleading renditions (but, not being the actual words of God, they are always going to be nothing like the real thing in Islamic teaching).

Of course any secular publisher can publish their own translations, and they do.

I used to have my father's old Everyman edition (published in the 1930s), which was in (not very good) English verse, as well as a Penguin Classics edition from the 1950s (which became controversial as apparently some of the renderings were quite misleading - plus the fact that the translator was Jewish annoyed some of the men with beards and beads).

As you can imagine, Muslims having only just by a whisker agreed that it is permissible to translate the Koran at all, the debate around who should translate it, and how certain passages should be translated can be pretty fierce.

What there isn't, is any debate within Islam about what the Koran actually says, because it says what it says, and it says it in Arabic.

What it means is another matter, and has occupied scholars for the whole of Muslim history to date.

Arabic is a hugely poetic, allusive, complex language, where all the words have multiple shades of meaning. (In Jonathan Raban's book Arabia, he describes looking up the root word for "child". It includes meanings that can be rendered "intruder", "nuisance" and many other deeply sceptical terms. The root word for "mother" includes "illiteracy" "ignorance"...

Actually knowing what meaning is indicated is difficult enough even for modern Arabic speakers looking at an ordinary piece of modern Arabic... which for an English teacher means I am constantly asking my students of writing what they mean to say.)

But there is no doubt about what the actual words of the Koran are - anyone can see them, whether or not they can read and interpret them.

This is why the 'Satanic Verses' was such a hot topic... more on that in a later post, if anyone's interested.

well, I am interested, but, perhaps I should read up on satanic verses first. Been a while since it was a topic over here, and even then, no one talked much about the book, instead focusing on the author and his predicament.

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Shalom,

I would say read the original if you want to read something... I always opt for original, though it is inconvenient, I truly believe the effort will pay off...

I have never heard of two versions of the Quran but I know that five versions of the Quran exist before its canonisation and it is recognised by the Muslims nowadays. They mentioned this in our Islamic study text book and I am living in Malaysia! Not much I can remember of those but it seems that there are people who memorise it better and redacted it to restore the Quran to its original glory.

Though a lot of people says that Islam is very intolerant and stuff like that; I am living in an Islamic country and in the same time I am practising a Judaic faith. :D Also, I like to say that if one has to learn one's religion, don't look at what other practise... Look at what the teaching has to say... Like the Quran, it will never be complete without its interpretation, the Hadith. It is pretty much similar to the Talmud being the interpretation of the Torah...

It has been a while since I posted here. I hope everyone is fine... I am in the midst of preparing my thesis for submission. I am in my final years now, graduating this August. Hope I can share a lot here...

Yours Sincerely,

Henri Lai

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From the following verses it seems as if the Koran is a book about someone who need serious psychological help

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

I have it translated as

"As to those who reject Faith,

It is the same to them

Whether thou warn them

Or do not warn them;

They will not believe."

The footnote for the passage reads "Kafara, kufr, kafir, and derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of Allah or faith, which is not inconsistent with an earnest desire to see the truth. Where there is such desire, the Grace and Mercy of Allah gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejections is that the spiritual faculties become dead or impervious to better influences. See also n.93, n.3557, and n.3644"

Translation and commentary by 'Abdullah Yusef 'Ali

Sound a bit more sane?

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I have it translated as

"As to those who reject Faith,

It is the same to them

Whether thou warn them

Or do not warn them;

They will not believe."

The footnote for the passage reads "Kafara, kufr, kafir, and derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of Allah or faith, which is not inconsistent with an earnest desire to see the truth. Where there is such desire, the Grace and Mercy of Allah gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejections is that the spiritual faculties become dead or impervious to better influences. See also n.93, n.3557, and n.3644"

Translation and commentary by 'Abdullah Yusef 'Ali

Sound a bit more sane?

Well if we're using angstroms of light as increments, then yes its does make it sound a bit more sane.

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well, I am interested, but, perhaps I should read up on satanic verses first. Been a while since it was a topic over here, and even then, no one talked much about the book, instead focusing on the author and his predicament.

I found Salman Rushdie's book, The Satanic Verses, to be pretty uninteresting. It was rather like a Bollywood movie, and I don't really care much for those. But, that's just me.

For whatever reason, the book never mentions The Satanic Verses - those are a few verses which were recited by Mohammad, and were originally part of the Koran. They acknowledge the existence and power of gods other than Allah.

Mohammed later recanted these verses whereupon they were removed from the Koran and banned. One version of the explanation for this is that Mohammed was possesed by Satan when the verses were delivered.

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so am i.

it's been a long time since i read the koran,but as i remember,it states who the children of the"book" are.while i don't remember all of them,the jews are one.(i can't remember if christians are listed specifically).if memory serves me correct(and it usually doesn't)the koran is one long poem,written by mohammed,while in mecca.the reason for the"children of the book"is because(?)those were the groups living there at the time.

i sincerly wish abdullah(no offense if spelled wrong)was still active.he is or was as close to an iman(if he isn't already one)as we have had in a long time.

Asalaam Alaikum,

Hehehe..No offense Mark, been a while since I have had the opportunity to be on the forums, but I hope to be back more regularlly in the near future. The Koran as it is, was revealed in parts as God deemed the Muslims needed such revelation for guidance. Therefore, to truly understand the texts of the Koran we must also look at what particualr situation or crisis the fledgling nation of Islam was facing at the time of the revelations.

Something else that must be taken into consideration when looking at English translations is the actual root of certian Arabic words used that may have more than one meaning that may cause for misinterpertation. Many times during the past English translations of the Koran were translated by people whose primary language was not Arabic leading to some misinterpertations. Having said that, I myself must rely on these English translations as Arabic is not my primary language. It is important to find a good source or translation. Personally for my studies I look at several translations and examine each to see the varying perspectives of the translators.

Unfortunately I have to keep this short, but I will attempt to answer some of the questions regarding this thread in the next day or so...

Abdullah

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