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...passed on New Years Day. Please send prayers, thoughts, condolences and whatever your belief system allows to family and friends.
Thank you,
Connie
Wow, I liked him. R.I.P. Mr. Fogle.....
"Whatever your belief system allows??" Is that where we're at now?? Not sure whether to be embarrassed at such verbiage, or disgusted....
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I thought for sure an article about feelings and emotion and sorrow and loneliness would resonate amongst the 12 usual participants of this forum. I only posted it as a result of that assumption.
I guess I was wrong. It happens......
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Actually, gravity is the strongest energy in the universe.
Love is just an emotion. A damn good one, but nothing that shapes planets and solar systems......
Actually you are incorrect. Gravity is the weakest of the fundamental forces in the Universe and that is why it can be overcome so easily. I can merely jump and defy the gravity that is being exerted on me by the whole Earth....not very strong now is it.
Not incorrect at all......gravity has shaped our entire universe, the shape of solar systems and the planets and the dark matter in between. Nothing has shaped our galaxy, or our universe, more than gravity. Don't take my word for it (nobody does), look it up yourself!!
That you can jump does not defy this at all, and does not prove love is more powerful than gravity.
You think love shapes planets? What do you suppose shapes galaxies? Hint: gravity.......
Sorry but you are dead wrong. It is scientific fact. The Strong Nuclear force is what holds the nuclei of atoms together that shapes galaxies.
Did you know that gravity is the weakest force in the universe? Well, it's true! There are four fundamental forces (that we know of) in our universe: Strong Nuclear, Electromagnetic, Weak Nuclear and Gravitational. The strongest one is the Strong Nuclear force, which is responsible for keeping the nuclei of atoms together. About one hundred times weaker than the strong nuclear force is the electromagnetic one. This is the strongest force that we experience in our everyday lives. In fact, whenever we touch anything we experience the Electromagnetic force. The electrons in our skin repel electrons in whatever we touch through this force. The Weak Nuclear force is the one responsible for most decays of particles and nuclei - which is where radioactivity comes from. This force is about 10 billion times weaker than the Electromagnetic force.
The weakest of all is the Gravitational force. In fact, Gravitational force is 10 thousand billion billion billion billion times weaker than the Electromagnetic force. Well, it sort of makes sense because if the Gravitational force were stronger than the Electromagnetic one, we would fall right through the floor!
Stephen Hawking agrees with me: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/
And where in that article does Hawking even remotely claim that Gravity is the strongest force? You know darn right well he would never make such a claim. Claiming gravity helped to form the Universe is not the same as claiming gravity is the strongest force in that Universe.
I'm not a scientist, but....
http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dns/teachersguide/CurveUBkgd.html
http://library.thinkquest.org/27930/forces.htm
I'm just sayin'.....
It is not impressive when you assert a member is wrong, then when presented with contrary evidence, ignore it. Did you think I would forget?
I'm not picking a fight, I just assumed you'd finish the dialog.
You still want to assert gravity is not the strongest force in the universe? I hate to say it, but given your proclivities, I must say, PROVE IT.
By the way, I learned that gravity is the strongest force in the universe by reading and listening to Hawking. I'm not qualified in any other way to make such an assertion. But argue against him if you must......
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Yes. And when the perception of both unfolds to a greater and greater extent -- they will be seen as one thing -- totally indispensable to each other for the complete picture -- appreciation -- and understanding of the how and why of the Multiverse.namaste
I agree with some of that.
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Starts about 2:30 into it.....a great piece of guitar music.....
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Not sure if I've ever posted in this section before....
Wasn't sure this was the correct section for this article... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extreme-loneliness-worse-for-health-than-obesity-9132031.html Seems good enough a spot to me!I've never understood the feeling of loneliness, but I've always felt sorry for people who experienced it. As a person who enjoys being alone (rarely am I afforded such a luxury), for as long as I can remember I have always been saddened by people who are lonely....less so as I get older.
Regardless of the species of animal, a sub-set of each finds themselves on the outside. On the one hand, sad. On the other, that is part of the complex diversity of life. I'm not talking about the mentally challenged, I'm referring to normal life in the food chain.....about half of the male lions born are destined to not be part of a pride.....they are run off, to fend for themselves and as often as not don't find or make another pride. Humans are no different.....bad choices, bad luck, bad breath, whatever....some folks just end up on the outside. On the one hand, sad....on the other, normal.
Seems being part of a group extends life expectancy. Perhaps. Makes sense on several levels. What say you?
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"Religion and science are opposed....but only in the same sense as that in which my thumb and forefinger are opposed - and between the two, one can grasp everything." William Bragg
Love that quote! Thought it applicable to, and perhaps somewhat definitive of, the ULC membership....
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Global warming causes the atmosphere to increase it's water carrying capacity. Thus, when that saturated atmosphere cools significantly, the precipitation fall out in a variety of forms. This is the cosmic yin and yang.
I think that is hilarious!!
Whether it hot, cold, warm, cool, wet, dry, stormy, arid, soaked, windy or temperate, the global warming crowd finds justification for itself, despite the data and despite the fact the earth has not warmed in 17 years.
But I agree with the cosmic yin and yang....for it has far more to do with solar activity than human or planetary activity.
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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and the petition the Government for redress of grievances.
Not a religious text, Youch.
Though I do agree, and believe that NONE of the Bill of Rights should be messed with.
How so, Mr. Tim Bland?? An historic and virtually unprecedented text that (first) promotes the freedom to practice and express religious thought and (second) inspires and liberates millions of humans, is to me sublime. I was asked a question. And I answered it. How can I be wrong in this regard?? Confine me naught in your box. Walk with me outside the normal box and you will be happy, as it is free.
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I'm going to be putting together some rides on Sundays to go to different churches in the So Cal Area. I am defining So Cal as Fresno down to the border.
If you are interested in joining and riding, or if you have a church that you would like us to visit let me know.
I can speak at your church if you would like.
Blessings,
Coolhand
Cool,
You still down in Sand Castle Competition territory?
I miss that area and those times....
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It saddens me to have to post after hearing of our member, Rev. William Fogle's passing today, but I found out this morning that my mother may not be coming home from her scheduled "short stay" in physical rehab.
She was hospitalized mid-Dec and they took some 12 quarts of water from her lungs, heart sack and body and was diagnosed with pneumonia and congestive heart failure. She seemed to be on the mend, I saw her Christmas Day, and was scheduled to be coming home end of this week.
Tuesday night she was once again rushed to emergency as the water retention had continued and she was revived during procedures and placed in the Critical Care section over at Doctor's. Talked to my sister this morning and Mom is non-responsive, vitals are extremely low and every sign of heart failure.
She was all set to party down for her 90th b-day (April 3, 2014) and was really looking forward to the family gathering and several member of the various family clans coming from Sweden as well.
Might I ask for prayers, energies, what ever you personally offer for her?
Mom is a devout Evangelical Christian and has repeatedly said she is not "fearful" of her passing. Her faith has been a steady companion to her throughout her long life. On Christmas she said she was 'eager' to go meet up with my Dad as she missed him so much here. Dad passed Dec 27, 2008.
Thanking all in advance,
Blessings of Peace,
Sorry dude!!
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And where in that article does Hawking even remotely claim that Gravity is the strongest force? You know darn right well he would never make such a claim. Claiming gravity helped to form the Universe is not the same as claiming gravity is the strongest force in that Universe.
I'm not a scientist, but....
http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dns/teachersguide/CurveUBkgd.html
http://library.thinkquest.org/27930/forces.htm
I'm just sayin'.....
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Religion versus Science?!?!
What is the question, exactly??? The two are different, and similar, all at the same time. Some now even say they agree.......is that your question? (I understand the OP did so 4-5 years ago.....nevertheless).....
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I was being teased about being a women preachers and a woman .i lost my ambition to keep studing all religions . I lost the drive and my faith . I just recently got it back . And still keep working on my study not only do i make my mom proud i am making me proud as well
Because i decided i was too good to give up on some thing i love to do .and even tho i get teased i think to my self these people who tease me is not and will not be able to know the hell i went thru in my life walk a mile in my shoes
Having already posted on the subject, here is another perspective: Why, or how, would something as artifice and "teasing" making you lose your ambition about anything regarding religious motivations?
Something, perhaps, many of us can ponder......
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What is your favorite religious text? Be specific. Mine is the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and the petition the Government for redress of grievances.
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I find it more egregious for one to impose control on what others say about you than it is for others to say something disagreeable about you, even if it is meant to hurt. Ignore them. Refute them. But You have no right to gag them. In the end history decides who is correct.
You are such a tolerant, non-liberal!
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If dark energy wasn't stronger than gravity then expansion wouldn't be accelerating. Or to put it in humanist terms, my reason can beat up your reason.
Fawzo is a good guy.......
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If you could please explain, Youch, I'd like to understand a little better.
I'm not exactly an expert on the subject.....or any other, for that matter.....
I am of the understanding, and logical belief, that most religious feeling has as a foundation the predicate of explaining the world around us. Primitive man asked these questions, and shamans and the like, at the time, fabricated explanations and solutions long before science could do so. Their thought was, we (leadership) must have an answer to those question, else the people will find us (leadership) as faulty or inadequate. Not less intelligent, but a far more malinformed version of our current species!! Thus is the origin of religion...furthermore, I would assert it is also the root origin of the progressive political movement!!
This to me is as logical as math.
Refute, if you desire.....
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I wrote a subject on this on open pulpit
But i assume you all might like it here
Women preachers there many thoughts on this my own bro is one he does not believe in women preachers . But i do as a women . I think people should be more open minded when it comes to this but we are only human .
Women preachers are pick on and made fun of why i have no clue but i do know is these people who pick on us women preachers they will have to answer to our boss jesus christ
And i think we should read the bible and our history about women preachers some people might be surprised
Lordie
How/why does gender matter in religion and/or spirituality???
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Sorry but you are dead wrong. It is scientific fact. The Strong Nuclear force is what holds the nuclei of atoms together that shapes galaxies.
Did you know that gravity is the weakest force in the universe? Well, it's true! There are four fundamental forces (that we know of) in our universe: Strong Nuclear, Electromagnetic, Weak Nuclear and Gravitational. The strongest one is the Strong Nuclear force, which is responsible for keeping the nuclei of atoms together. About one hundred times weaker than the strong nuclear force is the electromagnetic one. This is the strongest force that we experience in our everyday lives. In fact, whenever we touch anything we experience the Electromagnetic force. The electrons in our skin repel electrons in whatever we touch through this force. The Weak Nuclear force is the one responsible for most decays of particles and nuclei - which is where radioactivity comes from. This force is about 10 billion times weaker than the Electromagnetic force.
The weakest of all is the Gravitational force. In fact, Gravitational force is 10 thousand billion billion billion billion times weaker than the Electromagnetic force. Well, it sort of makes sense because if the Gravitational force were stronger than the Electromagnetic one, we would fall right through the floor!
Stephen Hawking agrees with me: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/
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Actually you are incorrect. Gravity is the weakest of the fundamental forces in the Universe and that is why it can be overcome so easily. I can merely jump and defy the gravity that is being exerted on me by the whole Earth....not very strong now is it.
Not incorrect at all......gravity has shaped our entire universe, the shape of solar systems and the planets and the dark matter in between. Nothing has shaped our galaxy, or our universe, more than gravity. Don't take my word for it (nobody does), look it up yourself!!
That you can jump does not defy this at all, and does not prove love is more powerful than gravity.
You think love shapes planets? What do you suppose shapes galaxies? Hint: gravity.......
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Yes i mean duck dynasty i personally dont watch reality tv or allow my kids to watch it
I strongly believe if some one wants to be a christian or a patricial they should hold a better role for the world esp. When they are on tv representing their network and their show he couldve kept his mouth shut and no one would be asking questions about any thing . If he want to make fun of gays african americans it is not freedom of speech in my book it is hatred down right . That he is pourtraying on our inocent children and people who assume to know better but dont . I personally think that if he did that what he did . As a minister he should hold a higher standard to his role .and in my book christian he is not . I actually saw some commercials of this show and it disgussed me as if i was being ridiculed for my beliefs . An old saying comes to mind if it gives u the creeps dont go near it if u have a feeling about it dont watch it . I see everyday how this show impacted the world around me and it aint good it is a disgrace upon us ministers and our family to see or hear such filfth coming out of someone mouth esp. A clergy man or a tv personality . . This gay comment is not in the bible because this guy doesnt believe or never got the real christian in him or other wise he would know god loves all . And even tho he said it it doesnt mean didy unless u practice what u preach
Just my opinion
And heres another can the show if we as non tv person did that we would be thrown in the can .so why not this guy he is just as guilty as the common man if that common man did the same
Just my opinion
Mule fritters.....
They area highly watched and highly rated show based on their viewership, which is making the network historic amounts of money. How stupid is it, that the network would then, based on pressure from people WHO DO NOT WATCH THE SHOW, curtail certain parts of the show based on hyper-emotional, politically correct, intolerant view points of people completely disassociated from the show? Libs, of course!!! Hopefully, A&E loses their shorts on this intolerance (and their caving to a fraction of the populace) and the Duck people (I've never watched it) find obvious profit elsewhere. How intolerant the Left is all the time.......
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Several months ago I posted a similar topic that got very sidetracked. It was decided to close that topic. I have recently been asked about some of content of that Topic Post and felt reposting in a different manner may answer the questions recently brought up. I hope this time things will not go so awry....and thanks for the interest, you two know who you are!!
In our contemporary society the term “Paganism” has taken on a bit of a different meaning than it did in ancient times. Our advances in science, education, natural phenomena and Spirituality have dictated a completely new understanding of things quite mystical and unknown to our ancestors.
While a formal definition of Paganism from a dictionary may read something like:
pagan- anyone not of Judeo-Christian or Islamic beliefs
this does not take into account recognized formal religious affiliations such as Hindi, Shinto, Taoism or Buddhism. Even though the Vatican may not recognize these last four listed as religions, their counterparts practicing and instructing in these spiritual endeavors certainly do.In ancient times, the word paganos simply referred to someone that lived in the country or foothills surrounding established metropolitan areas. “Heathens” on the other hand referred to people who practiced various forms of paganism in the heath-rows, a large, prickly hedge-shrub that was commonly used to separate individual properties or land tracks.
In our modern cultures and societies, Paganism can best be described as any number of nature based forms of soliciting and honoring traditional, ancient pantheons. The theologies of the various forms of Paganism are as broad and varied as the number of groups, congregations and even in some cases cults, that practice non-religious forms of deity emulation.
The type of Paganism I follow is called Ásatrú Folk which is based on the Nordic Pantheon of gods and goddesses. The Nordic pantheon is in turn based on the older Germanic form of paganism with only a handful of deities specific to the Scandinavian culture being the most significant difference. One of the most important aspects of Ásatrú Folk Paganism to understand is the difference between “worshiping” and “emulating” our pantheon of deities.
To further define this for you:
wor·ship (wûr'shïp)
n.
1.
a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2. Ardent devotion; adoration. (1)
and
em·u·late (em'yu-lât')
tr.v. em·u·lat·ed, em·u·lat·ing, em·u·lates
1. To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation: an older pupil whose accomplishments and style I emulated.
2. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with. (1)
To most Pagans the above definitions are the crux of our belief system and what truly gives the esoteric or internal, hidden, inner most air of protected secrecy to the very definition of esoteric. It is an inner part of our being while traditional religious forms of worship describe an exoteric or external form of acknowledging their deity. The nature, or natural, aspects of Paganism acknowledges in every manner the creations on the Earth, commonly known as Gian or Giana, “The Mother” under the Heavens generally referred to as “The Father”.
When the elm, yew or ash tree is venerated or the oceans or lakes are called upon for a bountiful harvest of fish or the heavens asked for the gift of rain, there is no “worship” going on at all, rather more of a petition.
In essence, the Pagan is asking that nature recognize their dutiful allegiance to a particular way of living and honor their request. For the most part contemporary Pagans are naturalist in that they do their best to treat “mother earth” with respect. In our modern society that is by leaving as small of a footprint as possible through recycling, non-polluting and organic means of survival. To some of you “Tree Hugger” may come to mind, but I assure you there are many religious folks that proudly carry that label.
My particular “sect”, as it were, is called Runic in that I firmly believe in the associated power of the ancient form of writing known as the runes or runestaves. If one were to take a tour of Norway, Sweden or Denmark, relics of the many centuries old rune monuments still stand along the road sides, besides buildings and in farmers fields nearly everywhere. The vast majority of these hand chiseled stone monoliths are National Monuments and are registered as such in the various countries of origin.
Specifically there are numerous forms of runes but those such as Ogham, Elder and Younger Futharks are the most familiar to the majority of pagans following a runic path. My specialty is in the Elder Futhark, which derives its name from the first six runes; fehu, uruz, thurisaz, ansuz, raidtho and kenaz. The term “vitki” that I use in my display name is simply an old Norse word meaning the equivalent of “learned” and/or “shaman” in this particular formalized title
The runic system and the practice of paganism are two distinctly different ends to a means. I happen to be a pagan that has furthered his belief system incorporating the majikal aspects of the runes. I would say the vast majority of contemporary Pagans have little or no understanding what-so-ever of the runes as it is most certainly an archaic and unnecessary part of Paganism as a whole.
However, to me, the runes encompass an ideology that serves many means to an end. There is a direct or “majikal” method that is recognized and practiced through varying forms of spell casting, scrying and incantation of invocations. Then there is also the intellectual forms of practice which delve into the inner most core of the Self-awareness of who and what we are as living human beings. I would also like to point out the variances of the “majikal” and “magical” forms of which I speak. The two spellings merely differentiate the many differences between the personification of esoteric knowledge produced in our wyrd (core essence) and the traditional slight of hand tricks one may see at a magic show by some showman.
There is little difference between “prayer” or “ceremonial rite” of the religious person and producing majik by Ásatrú Folk that participate in such things. The religious person will pray to “God” under any number of circumstances while the Ásatrú Folk will invoke a majikal rite for the same means to an end.
To further indoctrinate the uninitiated into pagan practices I would like to offer the following list of descriptions offered by the Bay Area Pagan Assemblies(2) or BAPA. Here they give what I too considered to be the essential practices and Beliefs of a contemporary Pagan.
Many Pagans tend to:
* Be polytheists, believing in more than one deity or more than one aspect of a single deity.
* Be pantheists, seeing the God/Goddess force represented in everything around them.
* Recognize the divinity of the feminine as well as the masculine, not seeing masculinity as a superior force.
* Believe that the life force is sacred, and that nature, as a vital representation of that force, is divine.
* Believe that all life forms are equal, sharing an equal claim to the earth as a home.
* Believe that each individual is solely responsible for his or her actions.
* Believe that the forces of nature can be shaped in ways commonly called magical.
* Believe that magical acts designed to bend one to another's will are manipulative, and not encouraged.
* Believe that whatever actions a person takes, magical or mundane,good or bad, come back to him/her, sometimes threefold.
* Believe that there is no single path to spiritual fulfillment, and that the individual must determine the spiritual expression most appropriate to him or her.
* Believe in reincarnation, or some form of life after death.
One of the other admirable and common traits that I find representative of most modern or Neo-Pagans is a tolerance for people of any belief or non-belief system. As the above list is not in any particular order of relevance, I believe the second from the bottom, ...that there is no single path to spiritual fulfillment..., would be the first if listed in order of priorities. This is something that many Pagan have the most difficulty in understanding; why so many people of religious Beliefs must “convert” or “save” other people and not simply allow others to find and have their own Belief structure.
Tolerance is something society as a whole uses as a common measuring stick around the world to determine their place within this mass populace upon the Earth. Democracy, which granted has its good and bad attributes, and has become the foremost sought after form of governance is suppose to be based on tolerance and the majority opinion. To deny this to the individual is in reality against the very teachings of The Christ of Christian Beliefs and even in some regards to the teachings of Mohamed, though I personally find it to be a bit linear in his interpretation of the very word tolerance itself.
When we have parts of a society that still obsesses over their particular Belief being the only “right” belief we have not progressed much beyond the most dismal and clouded actions of any Religion recognized throughout history.
As a modern Pagan I would hope that my peers and fellow travelers on this planet would define me as Tolerant above all else. I realize I have strong opinions concerning many things and people along this journey called Life, however, allowing those things to be as they are and to flourish in their own means is something I adamantly support. I do not believe religion is about being 'perfect' or fitting into some predestine classification, rather, about how we view our Self-awareness and define Self.
There is a common expression; “I'm not religious, I'm Spiritual” in today's culture. While I firmly believe we are indeed Spiritual beings experiencing a physical reality I also think that having a Belief in a Creator makes us something more than merely a living and breathing concoction of carbon based atoms in a mostly water based meat-sack. I believe it is our conscious recognition of our conscience that defines us as hu-man.
Whether a person's Beliefs and/or religion may be Jewish, Christian, Islamic, Hindi, Shinto, Taoist or Buddhist, which are typically the seven recognized “religions” we share, or Pagan, Heathen, Atheist or any number of other descriptions regarding Faith and Beliefs, we are all, above all else, Human. Some of us are comfortable being a part of organized religion while others are not so inclined. Some believe in absolutely nothing as far as deities go and yet others would probably be best described as agnostic, not sure if there is isn't any validity to religion.
However, humanity would not exist in this flux of unknowns if anyone had a certain proof of the existence of “God”, “The Creator”, “The All”, “The Collective Conscious”, “The Source of All things” or myriad of other descriptions of that little spark within that makes us all wonder and strive to find out.
I've held the opinion for years that perhaps there are some things we are simply not suppose to know, and “God” is one of those things. If we knew for sure, without any doubt or wonder, would we really be better off? Or is it in reality the quest for an Almighty that makes our journey here on Terra Firma worthwhile? Perhaps we have found “God” and s/he is expressed through the many facets of our diverse expressions of his/her Divinity. Perhaps no one, but all of our diverse Faiths are what make “God” who and what s/he is. I think if we were to take the very best attributes of all religions and sum them up into one belief we would have a most admirable group of followers as well as the most respectful and inclusive description of “The Creator-God.”
Maybe, just maybe “God” really is Jewish, Christian, Islamic, Hindi, Shinto, Taoist or Buddhist as well as Pagan, Heathen and Atheist, but being Human, we're just to arrogant and intolerant to believe that. Maybe?
Over the following weeks, I plan on providing some more specifics on my Spiritual Path, but I thought I would start it off by giving a very basic summary first. I welcome all thoughts and commentary and look forward to a continued dialogue with those that wish to participate.
Blessings of Peace,
“Atwater Vitki”
References and bibliography:
Haven't humans progressed beyond such paganism?? I mean, you are referencing a pre-religion belief systems, right???
Part of me does believe in the worship of nature, but for so many that gets confused with modern complications..... I could explain upon request....
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The holiday is derived from the Holy Day, so while it has become much commercialized, it is nevertheless a sacred day for much of the world, whether we emotionally or spiritually relate or not, since it is such a powerful source of modern freedom, it nevertheless remains a strong source of liberty for so many humans on earth.
Sad that so many others feel differently......
What Is Mankind's Greatest Achievement?
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OBVIOUSLY, it is the societal ratification of the natural law of freedom. If not that, nothing else could, would or can exist save for the brutality of the "non-peaceful" world of the natural world.