Youch

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  1. IMO

    I find it interesting that you mention your service in the Middle East, but haven't cited any additional specifics when you mention the other Muslims you've met 'abroad'.

    Regardless, I'm still of the opinion that most who worship God in any form are peaceful and benevolent in this day and age, and that includes the Muslims outside of a location as inhospitable and as war-torn as the Middle East.

    It really isn't that interesting. Five tours to the middle east, a total of about 4.5 years of my life, spent in the region, exploring a great deal of it, and having to endure countless briefings and debriefings, heck, I even had to write country studies and contingency plans, etc... About 10 years ago here I discussed some of it, I didn't think it worthy to discuss here again....precious few even read these posts. I doubt I leave you wanting, but if so, I apologize.

    As to your second point.....if that were true, why do the (and this is a rhetorical quetion, of course) VAST MAJORITY of residents of the middle east support the goal of wiping Israel off the map?

    Again, I ask, where are the voices of Islam calling for peace with Israel and the west? Certainly not in Paris. Not here in the U.S. Not in the middle east. If you got juice on the subject, provide it. Otherwise, WISHING they were peaceful isn't going to render anything positive.

  2. I cannot look into the hearts of other men. I must do what I believe to be right and not focus on what others are doing. If one breaks the law, then one should pay. I am not the law nor a mind reader. When I see things that I believe are not right I report it or let it go. I cannot make judgement on anyone who is on welfare or SSI or SSD or any other government supplemental program. I can only know for sure my own situation. For those who are interested, I worked until I was 62 and retired because I was not physically able to continue working. My only income is my Social Security and a very, very, very small pension.

    Nobody here or elsewhere relevant has advocated the elimination of a certain level of social safety net.

    That said, I should not have to pay for the misfortunes of others. Family should, friends should, local charity should, local religious organizations should (gasp!), and communities should. But I should NOT. I do NOT want you subsidizing my family, and nor should I subsidize your/yours.

    But that isn't even the issue. The Federal Government, or most specifically the Progressive/Liberal movement, cares not AT ALL about you; they/it cares only about growing their power, the size of government. Aside from the oppressive nature of dependency, THAT is the issue about welfare......all you others who distract and pretend that it's about people are missing the entire issue and have fallen instead for the emotional propaganda. Federal functionaries far removed from your best interests care naught for your plight. If I've not been clear, or if you disagree, let's discuss.....

  3. You speak as easily about the intentions and motives of others as you do when you promote the accolades of the Progressive Movement. Since you cannot do the former with any accuracy, should we assume you cannot affect proper judgment on the latter? Seems to me....

    My terminology was well-chosen, and I have no problem with how I spelled it out. Interpretation being what it is....

    I am "confronted" with charitable solicitations daily, mostly in both my daily personal and professional mail and email, but also from those who walk through our doors requesting "community partnership" etc., and meetings with individuals seeking support (from desperate vendor to alcoholic pretending to be homeless as he begs for change on your local off-ramp), and in both mainstream and the truthful media.

    Good post. But the dude/chick below missed the point.

    If you're "confronted with charitable solicitations" then you yourself don't think very highly of them at all, which is what kokigami was trying to say.

    However, if you are "presented with charitable opportunities" then you DO think very highly of their needs, which is what you claim you were trying to present.

    Interpretation being what it is.....

    Our interpretations become even more skewed when you describe someone begging for change as "alcoholic pretending to be homeless." Our homeless population is huge in this country. I work with the homeless all the time, and do you know how many are faking being homeless? None. Some may have a home, are down on their luck, and come in for a meal, but they don't claim to be homeless.

    You seem to think, as your posts indicate, that everyone's faking it.

    Now, I agree that we as a people need to help each other out, and that SOME people do take advantage of that instead of paying it forward as they should. That means we need welfare reforms.

    Your post isn't logical. Being confronted with need has no relation, at all, with what I think or feel of such solicitations.

    I find your posts (the few I've read) to be rife with emotion. And that has never been interesting to me. On the contrary, I find it droll.

    The topic and issue is welfare and it's efficacy. When you wish to discuss it, I'll be there.....

  4. I'm not real clear on how Muslims are supposed to register disapproval of terrorism. There is no central authority. Neither are the Non-Muslim countries in the business of registering objections. Registering objections with an Islamist-Fascist State wouldn't be very smart.

    Not clear on how they would "register" disapproval? What are they, a video game character??? Dumb. The Muslim community could/would, if it were their interest, denounce their faith, denounce the radicals that have taken control of their faith, and would STOP their neighbors from committing atrocities, IF they wanted to. But they don't. If your argument was that they could not "register" their disapproval because of oppression, then you would be advocating humanitarian insertion and liberation.....but you didn't.....so the fact that they do not "register" disapproval must come from agreement with the terrorism. So says the Quran.

    Exactly!

    I suppose they're supposed to throw themselves from the proverbial cliff to prove to the rest of us how gentle or virtuous they are?

    Oh gosh yes, asking a people to comport themselves with modern social norms is beyond the pale.

    Do you know any Muslims personally, Youch? While I was in Iraq, I knew many who were opposed to Jihad. I come home, and found friends among the Muslim community, I found almost all opposed to Jihad. The problem in the Middle East stems from the fact that Jihadists, while a minority in the area, rule with an iron fist, and people are scared. Of course they're not going to show disapproval; they're too scared of the Jihadists.

    You ask me to "get over myself," but how can I do that when what I was saying has actual proof that I've seen? You say it's "tacit approval," but people do stupid things, like not doing anything at all, when they're scared.

    Why do you feel the need to insult me because you disagree? And keep insulting me when I fight back? Do I remind you of someone who hurt you in the past? If so, I'll say to you exactly what you said to me:

    "Oh, get over yourself!!!"

    Having served multiple times in the middle east, and having met and heard countless Muslims here and abroad, I find your post to be sadly wanting of gravitas. Please post citations of the muslim community denouncing the actions of the muslim community. I am reluctant to provide a history lesson, as too few here give a rats behind, but the PLO voted for Hamas, the Egyptians voted for the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Iraqis, our friends and mostly out of fear, are falling to ISSA. Iran has sworn to wipe Israel off the map. But go ahead, focus on me and miss the entire subject.

    As to your debate style, I discount anything and everything a person says who has already proven themselves to be utterly intolerant.

  5. I'm not real clear on how Muslims are supposed to register disapproval of terrorism. There is no central authority. Neither are the Non-Muslim countries in the business of registering objections. Registering objections with an Islamist-Fascist State wouldn't be very smart.

    Okay, lets say you are correct. Muslims cannot poltik their way out of self destruction and global chaos. So, are you saying their religious bedrock is preventing "diasapproval" of the actions of the same?

    Hint, they would show their disapproval by showing disapproval. We see virtually none. Thus, no disapproval. For the sake of argument, the muslim community here and elsewhere have shown NO DISAPPROVAL OR DISSENT. Of course not......

    Is it clearer now?

    Exactly!

    I suppose they're supposed to throw themselves from the proverbial cliff to prove to the rest of us how gentle or virtuous they are?

    You mean like Saipan? Naw, I doubt it....

    So, since the subjects of Sharia Law are incapacitated to respond, then

  6. If it had worked, it would not have been supplanted by another system. That is why the internal combustion engine has not lost its dominance yet. evolution isn't just a biological event. It is social and political.

    I think you tell a lot with your terminology above. You don't say charitable opportunities that present themselves, but "confront me". You really don't approve of charitable requests. Taxes are just your excuse.

    You speak as easily about the intentions and motives of others as you do when you promote the accolades of the Progressive Movement. Since you cannot do the former with any accuracy, should we assume you cannot affect proper judgment on the latter? Seems to me....

    My terminology was well-chosen, and I have no problem with how I spelled it out. Interpretation being what it is....

    I am "confronted" with charitable solicitations daily, mostly in both my daily personal and professional mail and email, but also from those who walk through our doors requesting "community partnership" etc., and meetings with individuals seeking support (from desperate vendor to alcoholic pretending to be homeless as he begs for change on your local off-ramp), and in both mainstream and the truthful media.

  7. Most Muslims are very peaceful, and wouldn't harm anyone. However, a few bad eggs have left a sour taste in the rest of the world's mouth about them and their religion. What few realize is that Christians, during the Crusades, were responsible for just as many atrocities as some Muslims are today, but not all Christians are bad, so why would we lump all Muslims in with terrorists?

    Lack of understanding. Just as Von said.

    Your assertion that Muslims distance themselves from their religious and cultural heritage is absurd on the face, and even more so with greater analysis. In case that was not clear, virtually none in the Muslim community has denounced any of their global terrorism. Tacit approval is the same as approval.

    Shame on you...

    No, it wasn't, and the Muslims I know personally who live in my home town HAVE DENOUNCED WHAT TERRORISTS DO IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.

    Shame on you, Youch, for making an assumption about me that no one else made.

    Oh, get over yourself!!!

    There is no lack of understanding. The community is speaking louder and louder. Sure, many westernized Muslims have seen the light, but as a percentage, that's miniscule.

    The point is that most Muslims are not, in fact, distancing themselves from the jihad. Tacit approval is what it is. Same as the raping of the U.S. taxpayer....tacit approval is what it is. Evolution? Nope.....operations totally outside nature.

  8. Welfare is a good deed... Also consider that welfare didn't start until the 1930's, so good deeds were all we had for the previous 5916 years. At the start of 1930, our national debt was only $22 billion, and after just 84 years of welfare, our debt is $17 trillion and climbing.

    right, and that is why we now have welfare. We tried the kindness of strangers thing long enough to know it doesn't work.

    There you have it folks, a root of the progressive movement's early justification for socialism. The erosion began in earnest with Woodrow, kicked into high gear with Franklin, went into overdrive with Lyndon, and turbo-charged under Barrack! And now echoed by you. Trust not the people, but instead in a central government. You admit, right here, that people cannot decide what is best, and that their aggregate decisions are not best, and that "we tried" the more natural way and it simply "didn't work." Didn't work?? How arbitrary!! How un-definitive! How untrue! What a bunch of dangerous malarkey. Look, what ended up happening is that the administrative branch and career politicians (self-serving, all) created a multi-level monolith, a leviathan, paid for by making promises to take care of some, while requiring others (those on the wrong side of envy or intolerance) to pay the bill with confiscatory tax mandates. This leviathan, ruling over us with increasing boldness, and also those who benefit from it (recipients of favoritism and freebies), require increasing amounts of funds to support it. The Leviathan borrows to continue to buy votes, and prints more money to continue buying votes, and also finds more myriad ways to confiscate private property to buy votes (and fund a larger and more powerful Leviathan, hehehehe).

    Fools.

    So many mock the conservatives for trying to stem the tide, and so many champion the liberal cause that make matters worse, and utterly unsustainable. History proves this. In some respects, we live in an upside-down world.

    One of the things that makes me sad is when I turn down the many charitable opportunities that confront me throughout my week. I give to one, but to no others, and to all those others I say "hey, vote to reduce my tax burden and I'll return to being a volunteer charitable guy!" Note the pattern in our recent history....as the burdens of government increase (meaning, more and more people on the dole), the less people give to charity. It is the natural reaction.

  9. Youch, I believe you deliberately misunderstand the point I was trying to make.

    Then stop believing. I don't have the time to waste deliberately misunderstanding. But you've already proved my point by admitting you are intolerant, so it seems I understood perfectly well.

    AND IF YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PRESUME THAT MY HUSBAND MADE THE STATEMENT, I WILL REPORT YOU.

    Go ahead, report me. I have no idea what you are talking about. It seems there are now two of you sharing accounts here....or something.....I don't know, and don't care. All I remember is someone named timothy bland didn't like being called Mr. a while back.....now I'm caught in this weird marital thing, and I think it distracts from the forum. But yes, report me for not knowing you from Adam.

    Yes, I can be intolerant.

    That was self-evident.

    I did not by any means make any valid points inadvertently. I never do anything inadvertently. I absolutely agree we should repeal the 16th amendment.

    Since you did not make the direct point at all, much less on purpose, then yes, the point was inadvertent. You were attempting to make another point altogether.

    I was exempting you from the category of people that I was speaking of, in the hopes that you'd see that you have the option of including yourself. It is a personal choice. You are not forced to be part of any discussion here.

    It is a common trait amongst the intolerant to be so incredibly arrogant as this!!

    1. I don't want to be a part of your group.

    2. Exempting someone from something is not a successful marketing strategy, unless you are blinded by the incredible arrogance it must take to assume that not being part of your sphere would make people green with envy. Sorry, um, no.

    3. Forced to be a part of the discussion? I believe I just blanketed you with my presence...and nobody forced me! And nobody stopped me!

    4. Two options....continue to make yourself look bad, or do what most dogs do....kick some grass over that pile and move on!

    5. Psst, reminder....this topic isn't about you. And it's not about me.

    I do have one itty-bitty question to ask of you...what part of Georgia are you from? The only people I know that so grossly mispronounce the common language are from Georgia.

    Again with the insults and intolerance....this time toward the people of the south-eastern United States of America!

    "The only people I know...." what a bunch of mule fritters!!! Like my grand pappy used to say down home back in Green Bow, Alabama (thank you very much!), it takes all kinds to make a world (or was it a box of chocolates?), it's just too bad the world has to be made up of such uptight bung holes! Edited, of course....

    By the way, do a Bing search for the word 'raucous' and see what pronunciation it gives you.

    By the way, don't you dare ever insult my husband to me again.

    Well then, to whom shall I insult him? Who is he, again?

    Look, dude, sister, whatever, provide value here, by advancing the TOPIC, or obsess over yourself in the more appropriate section of this forum. The TOPIC is WELFARE, and in case your forgot, I'm tired of providing the increasing amounts of it. Moreover, morally and ethically, the chains that dependency creates are abhorrent, and are an antithesis to natural freedom.

    But hey, you'd rather talk about you and your spouse (as if anyone has any idea what you are talking about), or you'd rather project upon me your intolerant notions of those who disagree with you in order to create a foil.

    This all reminds me of menstruation and contrived foils, but I'm not going there....

  10. We are about to celebrate our 42nd anniversary.

    We decided not to wait until our 50th to throw a big party - we did that at 40 and intend to do it again for our 45th if we are both lucky enough to still be alive to have that opportunity.

    At our 40th wedding anniversary we had a wonderful meal specially cooked for our guests at a very nice restaurant. It was a great night for us. As I looked around the room there was an assortment of married people and single people. Most productive, active and content.

    So both groups are thriving.

    When I narrowed my focus to "just the married people" in the room - I realized we had been married longer than anyone else that night.

    I guess we have been extremely fortunate in that regard.

    It got me wondering how much different my life had been if I had not met and married a person who made me better and made me want to continue to be better. One who is gut level honest even when I don't want to hear it, one who I can and have trusted with my life and one who makes me laugh always - especially during a crisis. One who never allows me to take myself or life too seriously. And annoying though it may be at times one who always sees the best in the world, in other people and in me.

    My life would have been fine either way but it is enriched because of the person sharing it with me.

    So the question is: What is THE BEST thing about being married for you? (for those not currently married - what would you hope to have happened when married).....

    For those who opt out of marriage and choose another way to go - that is fine and this is not an attack on the single life, living together or any other option - IT IS however a chance for the married folks to focus on what is right with the institution as there is scant chance to tout it elsewhere.

    Thanks,

    Von

    First of all, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! My goodness...thanks for sharing the story of your great fortune!

    Second of all, miss ya around here, Von!! Your posts have historically been among the most thought-provoking...

    Best thing about being married? Hard to pick from a list of a dozen or so equal benefits from a harmonious and natural mate....mine, of course! In sum, I would have to say it is the comfort and security that exists from knowing that my/our family unit is a very solid, tight, familial team whose bond is blood and love and whose mission is to preserve the same.

    Not to distract, but I find it tedious and unnecessary to end your great post with that politically correct caveat the way you did..."not an attack on the single life.." really? As a society we've reduced ourselves to that?

  11. My wife stole my keyboard:

    I'm an incredibly lucky woman.

    Youch, you're acting like one of those people who maintains a keg just south of his chest and gets paid $25 an hour to yell at people. We're not here to be condemned, nor are we here to be vindicated, condoned, or ordered around. We're here to share our views, air our opinions, and generally add to the raucous. (That's pronounced ruckus) I understand your need to generally gripe and complain about all "those people" who "take your money" and do whatever the hell they wish with it, but they've been doing that since the day you started paying taxes to a corrupted system anyway, so you can't really logically complain about it without giving credence to the corrupt system you keep feeding, now can you? Chew on that while you formulate a reply.

    Well, now I know why you didn't like being called Mr. Tim Bland......there is still some confusion there, it seems..... I don't know, doesn't matter... :smoke:

    Great rant! :hi: Loved the part about me! :wub: Well, it really wasn't about me...... No keg, no yelling, and a lot more than $25/hr. Shoot higher next time.

    No, it is pronounced rawkiss.

    Upon reflection of your post, the one quoted above, do you smell the critical flaw? You proclaim from on high why "we're here" yet you differentiate me from "we're" as if I belong to a different category of people. Predictable nonsense, that! But let's shoot higher. Let me set ya straight there dude/girl/person, the day I stop fighting the good fight against the erosion of my freedoms and property is the day I have none left to transfer to you. Confiscation is like a flower.....it too, shall die.

    But you did inadvertently make a valid point......let's repeal the 16th Amendment!!!

    I chewed it....it tasted like intolerance.

    Tootles,

    :mike:

  12. A moment of reality, if you please. Due to my low income, I got my "Obama phone" this past March. It is NOT a smart phone. It is NOT an I-phone. It is a cheaply made, poor quality "Safe-Link Trac Phone." It came with 253 minutes. I have not yet been able to get my 250 April minutes. There is no roll-over. Unused minutes are gone. It will not do anything with the internet. No music. No e-mail. No web. No games. No any other frills.

    That's it. The wonder and the glory of the free Obama phone. Give it a rest. It's better than nothing, but not by much. It is not the fantasy smart phone that people seem to be imagining.

    The wonder and glory of the free Obama phone? You mean the blatant attempt to buy votes with such a frivolous thing as extreme deficit spending?

    Sorry I didn't buy you a better phone. :hi:

    i had an obama phone in the '90's

    The term "obama" has penetrated the lexicon now to include/invade/rewrite culture from 20 years ago??

    Obama phone in the '90s, really?

    In my case my main skills is Busking, I might work 40 hours and get $100 on most weeks. $400 a month. A couple days a year better. So for me the $721 a month on SSI, Medicaid, food stamps, a cell phone is very attractive to me. What is said when I Busked in Europe I was treated as an Artist and tipped well I made in todays dollars around $2000 a month and got free meals, housing and other things as I traveled around here in this area I'm a bit better than a panhandler and well it shows. I even had people throw hot coffee, beer bottles and other things at me.

    Busker, it seems an unsustainably poor choice of profession and years of enabled dependency leaves you either unwilling or unable to change the situation. Either way we seem to be inextricably connected in a manner found not at all in nature.....and the fact that you get the better end of the deal doesn't seem to bother your growing ranks near as much as my dwindling one. But to quote Mrs. Thatcher, "socialism works great until you run out of other people's money." So, enjoy it while you can. :cheers:

  13. You can't represent everyone in this arguement, because you don't represent everyone. Everyone includes us both. Semantically, it would be more correct, I think, to say "not everyone agrees". Which is my point, yes. You don't. Neither does Pan. But you both agree I should help pay for the military. See how the compromise works. I help pay for the military, which, in my view is bloated and wasteful, and you help pay for Welfare, which in your opinion is bloated and wasteful. I have always been curious what would happen if we allowed society to earmark their taxes themselves. The bill would remain the same, but the citizen would be able to assign it as percentages for different spending. That would be an interesting experiment.

    Have you heard the polls show that acceptance, even appreciation, of Obamacare is on the rise? Still early in the life of this particular bill, but, it will be interesting to watch how it all pans out..

    Actually, I don't think you should have to pay for the military. I also like your idea to earmark our federal contributions for what we wanted to fund, and in addition decide for ourselves how much we will pay.

    This is going to have to be a hit and run, only a few minutes......

    One point to make here is that the military is written into the Constitution, and welfare is not. Welfare is a relatively new thing in America, and its been a waste of trillions since the 60's, as the poverty rate has not changed a wink since Welfare's inception and has created generations of people (most notable in many minority communities) with dependency as their only experience.

    The Federal Government should stick to it's defining charter, and equally follow the same charter and allowing/forcing states to solve most of their own "problems".....I put that word in quotes because really, with rare exceptions as noted in our social contract, most problems should reside on the shoulders of the individual and not at any level of inevitably self-serving government.

  14. Fred Phelps?

    Brother of Jim, or father of Michael?

    I guess you have a point Youch. Fred Phelps?

    The only Phelps' I've ever known were Jim Phelps (Mission Impossible) and Michael Phelps, that aquatic phenom. I had only ever read a rare reference to a Fred, and don't recall ever knowing who or what he was until reading this thread. But I assume he was roughly the age of one, and old enough to be the father of the other. Forgive my attempt at sub-reference humor...... :hi: May he RIP! :Peace:

  15. I have read the first chapter of Genesis many times; I see it as a poem of Creation not to be taken as scientific truth. I follow a Hindu-Vedantic traditions that may be called Hindu-Gnosticism. There are many Creation stories in the Hindu traditions, none to be taken as history or science.

    That is very much how I view religious text. Doing so, allows me to learn wisdom and enjoy a well-turned verse. Not doing so only leads me to reject it all. I prefer doing so.

  16. I have never spoken with a Science teacher who wanted to teach a course on Bible. I have spoken with many Science teachers who were blasted for not giving "equal time" to "Intelligent Design." I was there. In classrooms all over NYC.

    Well...... that is one of the many reasons why NYC schools fail....forcing teachers to teach that of which they know naught.

    If we get the social engineers out of our public indoctrination systems, and instead taught only reading, writing, math and the hard sciences, social studies, history, technology, mechanics, problem solving and physical fitness, then we'd all be better off AND, our tax dollars would be less prone to political manipulation.

    On the other hand, if a private school wants to expand it's curriculum (Religious Studies, Christianity, intelligent design, whatever), that is their business.

    I went to a Franciscan university and majored in both Biology and Theology. I don't have a problem with a school teaching science and religion simultaneously, as long as the disparate subjects are kept in the appropriate classrooms. If our "grammar" schools also properly teach rhetoric and dialectic the students will be equipped to navigate the stormy seas of discord.

    :thumbu:

  17. ah, you seem to think those people don't pay taxes. I think we all should pay, in accordance with what we can. You think someone else should pay. See the difference?

    The difference is, you think everyone should pay, but Everyone does not agree. Joe Q. Everyone. I will represent Everyone in this argument, and you will represent you. Since you can't make Everyone pay, you support legislation, or nowadays Presidential Fiats, that mandates a certain activity/behavior (the first time ever in American History, mind you) the your neighbors/Everyone WILL comply by threat of force or confiscation (Robert's Unconstitutional Tax, and a host of other Sec'y of HHS fines and penalties). Everyone believes in everyone, and you believe in a small group of functionaries with loyalties to only their elites, who are so far removed from your best interests, and fully unmoored from the Constitution, that your health needs are not a concern and even more sad, they have long ago taken your vote for granted because1) they know you are a drone, and 2) they don't care about Everyone.....how could they/it possibly!!!

    Panpareil u are wrong everyone pay taxes including the welfare it is the law if anyone make over 1500 a month they have to pay taxes .no one is exempt until it is under 1500 and welfare pays taxes when the. buy something at the store and no they don't get exempt. from that or proptery tax. neither i don't know were u all are getting ur facts but its wrong. look up ssa.gov and c how or what our taxes pay for . and welfare has to pay school tax per child (which in my opinion all public schools are dumb)

    And before u all get huffy get this when some one goes to the store to buy whatever it is the poor welfare person who pays more in taxes than the rich guy . i have seen it w my own eyes .

    lordie

    p.s. don't even think about posting welfare don't pay tax because it is not my prob u can't do research . and another charity donations go to welfare such as salvation army goodwill catholic charities doris day alll go towards welfare wait a. minutes hold it. catholic and lds help invent the welfare so duh!!!

    In terms of Federal Income Tax? You are flat wrong.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/43-of-americans-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-2013-9

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/19/the-real-truth-behind-the-47-percent-why-arent-these-people-paying-federal-income-taxes/

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101015065

  18. I should explain something. For three miserable years, I was a substitute NYC Public School Teacher. For me, there is nothing hypothetical about Religious pressure on the curriculum. I was there. I talked with the Science teachers on the front lines.

    This is very personal for me. There is nothing amusing or cute about Genesis as a Science text. Or the pious twits * who want to change the curriculum.

    * I'm being nice.

    Unlike the original quote that understood that two sides can come together, the various teachers unions (the secular and intolerant Left* * I'm being nice) and the religious right (the evangelicals about whom the secular Left is intolerant), shall never understand that two sides can come together. Why must science teachers be afraid for a religious studies course over in Social Studies Department. It isn't "wanting religious studies in," instead it is demanding to be "put back in" as the libs have been running religion out or society just as fast as they replaced it with revisionist history. Rather than accept, which would be the mature, balanced approach, they impugn and smear and monger fear. And it seems it worked on you....you've been led to believe that there is religious pressure on science curriculum....it isn't true. Science teachers (so few are actually scientists) ought not be teaching religious studies any more than pastors would be teaching the evaporation temp of a given gas under a given pressure. Nope, one part of these opposing two will not grasp or tolerate the balance of the other.

  19. I read all your replies. i am shocked. at some of them

    Please expound.

    I can't find one. the job wynns don't have anything to find neither. And can't afford to travel at the moment.

    I have somewhat of a job. I work for a construction site. It pays a hundred dollars a week. only work in good weather. and half the time if he has something I can do.

    Hey hey now be nice

    Noctulius is trying and we shouldn't judge

    it is wrong to judge

    noctulius did u try workshop it is a place for training i think they pay u each state is different tho and don't mind these guys .

    lordie,

    First of all, you did not expound.

    Second of all, why on earth should people NOT judge? Are we not born with discernment? It is NOT WRONG to judge. MOST PEOPLE have enough skills to NOT be dependent on MY tax dollars. If you want jobs, and can't find any, MOVE, and/or blame the current administration that has done NOTHING to promote more jobs!! In fact, all the current administration has done is solidify the dependent nature of the entitlement society...i.e., vote buying techniques to advance horrendous political ideologies that only harm my individual freedom and family.

    And you speak of not judging....wake up and smell the ** coffee.....

  20. Science and Religion don't have to be in opposition. When Genesis is brought into the Science class, they are in opposition. When the forces of Religion oppose the teaching of evolution, then they are opposed. If we can keep Science in the classroom and religion in the church -- nothing is in opposition.

    Reducing the quote to the issue of teaching religion is school, or introducing science to religion, is to miss the point entirely.

    Take the "opposition" of school and church out of it. Now re-read the quote.

  21. I read all your replies. i am shocked. at some of them

    Please expound.

    I'm not able to get welfare. Foodstamps. SSI check or healthcare enrollment benefits.

    Good. There are often NO means testing for the vote buying schemes cloaked as safety nets.

    Noctulius i am sorry

    welfare or ssi or either we shouldn't be so quick to react because some day we might needit

    noctulius try ssd or tempory assistance program

    no it is not welfare it is help to get why u wait

    For us to have a reference to this story of lament of not getting portions of my income, please state WHY you cannot get a job?

    Thanks for the advice. but all my uncles going through a lawyer. One had to wait about a year. my other uncle he's been trying for the last three years and one lawyer drops the case and another lawyer gets it on a rebound. a never ending case.

    Why don't you get a job? If you are unable, please state that upfront so we don't think you a mooch. Thank you.