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  1. Interesting. I would argue that liberals have a mixed view on intellectual property rights. My view is that our current IP law is problematic, but, if there is anything that can be said to have been created without theft.. it is ideas. IP "rights", therefore are the most valid of all property rights..

    Mostly I find this question an interesting diversion. It might make an interesting thread..

  2. Understanding the people of South East Asia and particularly the Vietnamese in the 50s and 60s would have been a smart thing to do. Did anyone bother? No. Understanding the Muslims religiously and culturally would certainly be a wise thing to do. Do we bother? No. We hardly bother to understand our children and their evolving culture. We are so arrogant, aren't we?

    As far as debate goes, the forum seems to have a debate club. Debates are governed by rules of order and presentation. With the exception of the debate club, these are discussions are quite similar to coffee shop discussions. Opinions are bandied back and forth and everyone who wishes, has the opportunity to learn something from the other. I don't look to "prove" my points, I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not (although I do get warm fuzzies from time to time when one of you do). I offer my opinion and I do not back my opinion up with proof of any kind. My opinion evolves from my having lived on this Earth as long as I have and paid a little bit of attention to what has transpired around me. Proof is for debates. Opinions are for coffee shop discussions. It would be terribly boring if everyone shared the same opinion, wouldn't you say?

    well, have a warm fuzzy on me then.
  3. Some are, most are not.

    Whether or not you are "inviting competition" is irrelevant. Once your competition is gone, you have a monopoly. Whether it lasts a day, a year, or a decade.

    Or it simply doesn't get paid, because people decide to go into less expensive enterprises where profit is more readily available. The thing you seem to miss is that monopoly is not about whether people can compete, but about whether people do compete- and there are lots of reasons why people would decide not to enter into a market. It is common in rural areas for a business to have a monopoly in the local market simply because no one has decided that competing with them is the best profit opportunity.

    As and example, watch the events transpiring with Amazon..

  4. When only a little over half the voting age public vote, elections can not be indicative of what most people want. In a party system, votes tend not to go for what people want, but for what they are willing to grudgingly settle for...

    It effectively derails your argumentation. You have to admit its an effective gambit.....

    It is, but I have a different theory on why it happens.

  5. Spoken like an atheist. Or someone who has not a clue about the importance of freedom. Or an ostrich.

    A bit non sequitur? I am fully aware of the importance of an Ostrich. But, you will (probably refuse to) admit that humans tend to prioritize things that are violent, and Capitalist news reporting amplifies that behavior. The result is that when a peaceful and a violent group are competing for prominence, the violent group will win out in the western world. You have little experience with peaceful Islam because you don't look deeper than the prominent groups.

    So you speak from the perspective of Saudi Arabia and Iran?

    No, but I have already provided a link above on the Islamic worlds view on terrorism. You are now invited to find research that implies the Muslims of the Philippines are active anti Zionists..

    Dude, seriously, you know naught of what you speak....

    Truth always helps, Mr. Edward. Are you programmed to avoid it?

  6. No, our history has been a repetition on the theme of you accusing me of being socialist, and my stating that I am not. This happens whenever I advance that socialism is not the great evil, and appears to be a reflex reaction on your part.

    I have stated that I have socialistic tendencies.. But pure isms are inherently faulty. I avoid them, and have done so far longer than I have been here.

  7. I have never claimed to be a socialist. I have admitted that socialism is not, for me, a bogey man that sends shivers down my spine, but a system of economics that has merit in some situations. Just the same view I have toward capitalism.

    The purpose of welfare was to create a safety net for those who found themselves in need. But, as it is a compromise with other interests, it has been mis directed. That isn't an uncommon outcome in out system of laws. It has been stripped down to be sub subsistence support, with little to no provision for rebuilding the capacity for recipients to help themselves. That would require more funding. I think progressives would be happy to provide that funding and build a system that moves people off the welfare roles. I think conservatives work very hard to prevent it from being built. I don't think that is because conservatives want to make people dependent, just that they often aren't imaginative enough to see another system than the one they have.

  8. If you don't agree with my contention of Paris, perhaps change the channel and see/hear what is going on there.....MASSIVE anti-Semitic rallies and violent outbursts coming from the growing Islamic communities there. And, pray tell, provide a list of prominent, mainstream Islamic groups/communities here in the U.S. that have expressed outrage against Hamas, Hezbollah, and the like... it is non-existent. So, while I understand the hesitancy to agree with me, you may find it hard to disagree with the facts. Just gotta catch up on those facts. Seriously...check it out and come on back....

    not really a fair request. Open hostility is required for a group to gain prominence in the western psyche.

    A bit of a touch point?????? What are you describing, some emotional work-place misunderstanding???

    "Arab" world? I think you mean Muslim or Islamic.

    "Outsiders?" Who might be the insiders?? Recall from our expansive grasp of history. Only nomads existed in the region known today as Palestine and Jerusalem remained Jewish through most of modern history.

    Your point FAILS MISERABLY at getting to the important issue....terrorism and hatred and state-sponsored genocide. Bigotry and hatred and state-sponsored terrorism, and regional state policy demands the elimination of Israel, Jews and by extension, the West. Conversion or elimination. And by you IGNORING that fact in an attempt to EXCUSE the behavior of terrorists, only underlines your "biasing your understanding." Your attempt to blur who the aggressors are doesn't wash with me.

    Tell us, wise one, what is the "complete picture of Islam??" That is a rhetorical question, as you've already painted yourself into a corner here.

    no, I mean the arab world. And to a lesser extent the persians.. The further you get from the region, the less likely a muslim is dedicated to the eradication of the jewish state. Nomads see their nomadic routes as their homelands, so that point is kinda weak..

    And some, like me, only see water in a cup. Truth. Fact. What is.

    The dude who lives across from me is Islamic. He is a founding member of a new and local Islamic Center in my area. He is kind to me and shares outgrown kids clothing with my wife for my two crumb snatchers. Nice man. Our world views, in some ways, CANNOT be farther apart. And I remember this always.

    huh, imagine that..

  9. Israel is a bit of a touch point, in that it represents the very thing that the arab world is most upset about, European and western intervention into the middle east. The fairly wide spread feeling that Israel shouldn't be there is based, in part, on the fact that it was created out of whole cloth by outsiders without input from locals. Yes, Israel had once been on the site, but it had been gone for a long time. It is my opinion that it should not have been re established, at least not there. But it was, and I don't advocate eliminating it now. However, that particular issue is ripe with problems that are probably best left to another thread.

    However, the Muslim world is much bigger than the middle east, so narrowing you focus to it is going to give you an incomplete picture of Islam. That and the fact that you have approached it primarily from a single vantage point, a military vantage point.. might be biasing your understanding.

  10. Nobody here or elsewhere relevant has advocated the elimination of a certain level of social safety net.

    That said, I should not have to pay for the misfortunes of others. Family should, friends should, local charity should, local religious organizations should (gasp!), and communities should. But I should NOT. I do NOT want you subsidizing my family, and nor should I subsidize your/yours.

    But that isn't even the issue. The Federal Government, or most specifically the Progressive/Liberal movement, cares not AT ALL about you; they/it cares only about growing their power, the size of government. Aside from the oppressive nature of dependency, THAT is the issue about welfare......all you others who distract and pretend that it's about people are missing the entire issue and have fallen instead for the emotional propaganda. Federal functionaries far removed from your best interests care naught for your plight. If I've not been clear, or if you disagree, let's discuss.....

    kinda sad when you copy and endorse your own posts.. but, lets have at this..

    More significantly, the last part. The idea that welfare is about creating dependency. Now, I agree, to some extent, that this is what it is doing. Probably for different reasons than you think.. but to claim it is the intent seems to beg some extraordinary evidence.

    I tend to think it is a side effect of some very capitalist impulses that are at work in welfare design. For example, it is possible for the poor to get subsidies for rental costs, but not for mortgage costs. This is a system designed to move government money into the hands of those who already own real wealth in property. It appeals to those who think that welfare should be about keeping people afloat, but only barely so, as it doesn't help them get out of the debt traps.

  11. I am on SSD and would give up both legs for a decent job. I worked for 30 years and then Life took an unexpected turn with a near fatal accident to put me in my place. I went from 10-14 hour working days to: I'm lucky if I can finish washing a sink full of dishes: literally overnight. If it weren't for my payments into SocSec over my working career, I'd be living slowly dying at the homeless camp over by the creek near where we live.

    The other thing I've not seen mentioned here is: (yes I understand the topic is WELFARE not SSD - but some of it does apply- many people need Welfare (nearly instantly) while waiting for Soc Sec Disability (18mos to 3 years wait for approval)

    While you don't have to disclose any previous injuries or disabilities when applying for a job, wait and see what happens as soon as they do find out. Not one single company out of over 30 that I disclosed my disability to while applying even called back with a yea or nea, the other 40 some odd I didn't ask anything about my being on SSD and at the handful of 2nd interviews I was asked if I had any "infirmary" that would preclude me from lifting, sitting etc etc for any period of time. (It's their way around employment discrimination laws)

    So Welfare and Disability are not black and white, clean cut, either or situations for everybody.

    While there is no doubt there are many people who abuse the system, it would be catastrophic not to have it available for those of us who don't. You have no idea how many times I've thanked myself for the extra few $ I had put into Soc Sec while working (usually $15-20 per pay period) it has made all the difference now.

    There a lot of good points being made here, but please, once AGAIN, let's keep it civil. Just because one person or another doesn't agree with a point being made, does not mean the other is stupid, dumb, ignorant, a jass ack or otherwise....ifn's y'all can't find a middle ground, just agree to disagree...ok???

    Blessings of Peace,


    *and on this note, severe, crippling pain due to a recent procedure (May 2014) is why I haven't been around as much as usual....and oh in case anyone wants to expand on that....yes, most of the medical costs were covered by MediCare/Cal so I'm grateful I only owe a few thousand dollars....but, as was said above...when a person is barely making it ...a few thou$and might as well be millions...if they're lucky, they'll have the co-pay 50% paid by the time I croak...if I make it 85!

    which brings up a critical point. Even though, in theory, many disabled people can work, if properly accommodated by their employers, it is very difficult to find someone interested in taking on the hassle of accommodating them. And, since umemployment is positive, they generally don't have to. They may, if the person has specific skills that are hard to find, but that is not a common situation. It is not really that common that people won't work.

  12. one of the nicer aspects of this forum is that the heat doesn't often boil over. Not sure if it is the members, or the mods, or a combination. Not sure how it is in the secret debate club, because I like my discussions in public.

  13. while I don't dis hard work, it does sound like you are, realistically, one unexpected event from qualifying. Or, with a little good luck, from not feeling you might need help. But if your luck runs bad, you may find yourself less critical of the system..

  14. Really in todays economy and the way the hiring process is set up it doesn't matter if your disabled or any other excuse you can think of you can find a job and a place to live it may not be the one you want but it will give you enough money to survive I know because I didn't always have a cushy job I started out making minimum wage and worked hard until I made something of my self I am a disabled vet and most jobs give you extra hiring points or will move you to the front of the hire list because you have a disability. So now someone will say what if you don't have a diploma well who's fault is that not mine not the guy paying taxes working his but off to provide for his family and another persons he does not even know 10000 miles away. Perfect example my wife tells me all the time when a homeless person or someone in need ask for money we should give them what we can. We were walking through a parking lot and a lady approached us and said that she had ran out of fuel and had no money her kids where almost out of school and she had no one to pick them up can we let her have some money. In the field I work I can tell a crack head from a lady needing gas the white lady was for sure a crack head so my wife not knowing gave her 5 dollars and I said she shouldn't of done that and she said that the story sounded legit and that she believed her. 1 month later same parking lot same women same story my wife looking dumb that she fell for the story I was laughing so hard. The point of that story people are lazy and need to get off their behinds and stop taking charity and start earning money. I know that I put that I was trying to get on it and I couldn't that was just a conversation starter I have never been or will never be on welfare because I have to much pride I would rather go hall hay in 110 degree heat and get enough to live on for a few days than ask you and yours to put money in my pocket. I put white lady because although this is a religious site there are still race issues among people on here.

    well, now I just don't believe you anymore. Either you lied before, or you are lying now, and so, where does that leave us, in a forum world composed only of words.. This is a reason anecdotal evidence is not to be trusted.

    Actually you don't know. You cannot take your individual experience, true as it may be, in your part of the country, and extrapolate a universal truth from it.

    Your story, it seems to me, is about a crack addict lying to obtain funds, apparently to feed her addiction, nothing more. And I would point out that even crack addicts can have children, even crack addicts can run out of gas and need money to fill the tank. I'd rather give someone $5 and be wrong than not give someone $5 and be wrong to the detriment to someone's well being. But, of course, I am espousing a Jewish viewpoint in regard to my obligations to other people.

    What we can agree on is that you do have too much pride.

    As for race issues, I don't follow every thread so if you could point where they have occurred I would be most appreciative.

    agreed. In fact, it seems to me, a crack addict is more likely than a sober person to find themselves out of gas twice in a short period. But, five bucks isn't going to impact my day, so I can afford to take that risk.

    I fail to see how one person's story, which isn't a common one, actually, constitutes a data point. If anything, it's an exception.

    I feel for the woman, I really do, but her story is more unique then you think.

    a data point isn't meant to represent the whole. It is just a data point. A different one than has been expressed by others. But it could serve to illustrate the earlier example of a poor person with an I phone syndrome. I have friends who are on assistance, in part because the initial divorce settlement was made while the father was newly employed, and not making much. So his contribution is very small, but he is now in a high earning two income situation, and can easily afford to give the kids toys, so, while they often don't have food, and they must get snap etc, the kids have some - not a lot, but some - 'spensive bling...

  15. Its true go to an office and ask people if they work or just associate with people who are on it they usually get it spend what they want and then sale the rest for cash which is very illegal and to me that is not right at all. I can understand if your working poor key word WORKING but the majority of people getting support are people lying to the system or just lazy.


    you want to do some research and back up the claim..?

    this guy has done my work for me..

  16. I'm working poor and can't get assistance, she's working poor who can't get assistance, and I know a lot of people who are working poor who can't get assistance, and yet, you STILL claim that the majority of people getting governmental help are working poor?

    Yes, my experience is just one of many data points in the whole shebang, but to read the other points as you do is just a little naive. Admittedly, I may be a touch cynical in the whole thing, but after looking at not only the previously provided links on this thread, but also my own research, I cannot believe as you do. We need Welfare Reforms.

    there a lot of working poor who can't get assistance. Agreed. But that doesn't mean there are not a lot of working poor on assistance. Because, there are A LOT of working poor. And the number is rising. And since the system for support is shrinking, more and more people will be working poor without assistance.. We do need welfare reform. How to reform it is the question.

    This has a great deal to do with wealth distribution. The current welfare system will help a person pay rent to a landlord, so the landlord benefits, but won't help to pay a mortgage, so the person benefits. That seems like a system rigged for those who own capital to keep others from obtaining capital. It will pay for food to a retailer, but, if you grow your own food, you can't redirect that money for other needs or investments. It generally will help in crisis, but not to try to prevent crisis (like heat assistance, or emergency medicine..)

    Welfare needs reform, because currently it incentivizes crisis. Tie the top tier tax rate to unemployment, and raise the minimum wage. redefine unemployment to include under-employment. Remove barriers to education - which is becoming a massive debt trap - and dismantle corporations. Forbid any congress person 9perhaps judges and executive branch as well) from taking any income, gifts, gratuities or favors other than their salary.

    that might be a good start.

  17. Your experience is a data point, but just one amoung many. The fact that she can't get help now doesn't mean that there are not a lot of working poor who do get help. She has moved into the tar pit realm where assistance has disappeared but the path forward is not clear.