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Do you mean it's an artificial and arbitrary construct? Some "rules" are, but basic social morality seems to be more of an evolutionary development in order to maximize the survivability of the human tribe. After all, if everyone was killing each other over firewood and berries, the entire tribe would eventually die out. "Tribes" where people get along due to an innate social behavior such as respect for others, have a better chance of survival.
In as much as I tend to think anything is "artificial", I suppose. As I tend towards determinism these days, I can certainly agree with the idea of evolutionary development of morality, or at least our understanding of what the concept means. Much of that understanding has been shaped by convenience. Being murdered is inconvenient, and thus murder is deemed morally wrong. But, killing some "other" people has proven quite convenient, and been given a moral blessing. And certainly, killing animals is generally morally acceptable, not because it is necessarily moral but because it is convenient and tasty..
Perhaps we could define moral actions as taking a less convenient action over a more convenient action, because the less convenient action promotes the welfare of others.
Debate?
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Don't know.. Some things seem pretty obvious, but I am not sure that makes em true..
Not certain morality isn't an invention..
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Have you never had a Guinness?
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ive been ordained for about 3 years now but after reading some of the stuff on the ulc store, it mentions registering with your state. is registering with the state required???
depends on the state. Minnesota does, and Wisconsin does not, for example, have registry.
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Anyone from SD? I have a couple who had planned to marry in WI, but has had to change plans, and now plans to marry in SD. They contacted me to get a sponsorship letter for WI. Now they are wondering if it is a valid sponsorship for SD.
I found the statutes online. As I suspected, there is no sponsorship requirement, and it looks like simple ordination with ULC is good for SD. But, without reading every bit, I am wondering if anyone wants to summarize the other rules. I thought I saw something about the minister keeping a record book? How many days to turn over the license.. All those nice to know so one doesn't leave a big hole in the marriage process..
Anyone a near expert?
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Yeah, my neurosurgeon is world renowned, travels all over the place giving lectures on what I have and he has never seen a case quite like mine. As far as pain relievers go, I have tried just about everything and nothing touches the pain at all (just makes me loopy/dizzy while in pain).
That makes me wonder if it is a mis diagnosis. Not something he would consider, if it is his specialty. "to a man with a hammer, every problem is a nail", kinda thing.
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The issue is blinding, agonizing pain. It has gotten to the point where the time between episodes is less than the duration of each episode. I have atypical trigeminal neuralgia. I have tried all the meds, had two brain surgeries, been to several "pain specialists", tried accupuncture, meditation, electric stimulus...pretty much everything that anyone has recommended. Nothing helps at all. I do still have that wonderful girlfriend and that (along with a few friends) really seems to be all that keeps me going.
Thank you all for your kind responses. I really do appreciate it.
ah, that is a horse of another color. I have no other advise though. A few years is a long time in modern technology. How long have you been suffering?
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On your profile you say you have a wonderful girlfriend? You describe yourself as a "Hopeful Agnostic". Now, that may be old info, but even if it is, you appear to have only been here since 06? So, that information is only, at most, 3-4 years old. You are 37? If your life has changed that much in the past 3-4 years (ten percent of your life) and you can expect to live - barring the idea that this depression is brought on by a terminal illness - another 40 to 60 years, you can expect your life to change a lot between now and then.
You mention medicine and technique, so I am guessing you are dealing with depression, and on meds, but they don't work. I have a friend who has faced this for years. She moved from minnesota, to Az, which helped her, a lot. You are already in AZ, so, obviously, this isn't about AZ. But, a change of environment may be good. It creates a sense of opportunity. Also, a task that requires focus. My friend studied art. She is not cured. She still has bad periods. Sometimes very bad. But, she also has more good periods. I have never known any one to work harder at life. She is amazing.
Try to be amazing.
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Not sure this is so clear. Ordained, and accredited by may not have the same legal weight. You need to talk to a local lawyer on this. It may be they are looking for an ULC accredidation, as in you have passed some course work, and ULC sanctions your technique..
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The link in Rev. Joe's post is my website. The site has the information. It can also be found elsewhere in the forum archives, and in my Yahoo group. I am pretty well connected now for this process, and wrote probably 2-3 hundred letters this year.(I haven't counted yet..) I am one of a handful of people to whom HQ refers requests that come in for this service. It is the bulk of my ministry, at the moment.
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I do that as referenced here.Sad I would have to suggest this but in the case of more ministers who might need to come to Wisconsin are you up to having them request sponcership from you?
I doubt it would be a substantial burden to fill in a name and sign your own on a preprinted form and fax/mail this to the other ministers who would likely offer to pay for postage if needed.
the second link failed and may need to be updated.
As does the original poster.
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Tough and interesting question.
I considered Lazarus Long, from Heinlein, John Carter of Mars from ERB, Death from Discworld, and even Jesus, but am currently leaning towards Tom Jones.
Edited to add
There is also a strong attraction to choosing someone from a story I have not yet read. The mystery of the future is compelling.
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IOt works OK Now.
you're welcome.
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oh, that's just evil. that's wrong.
why don't I have you on mod duty?
Don't you threaten me..
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I do that on purpose.
That way you can sit back in stunned amazement when, all of a sudden, things work the way they're supposed to.
Ok, fine. "I'm looking into this issue and will let you know if I find out anything that may be of usefulness to you."
better?
I am looking into it too, and expect to have it fixed shortly. Probably about one minute before Murph thinks he has it fixed. So I won't hold it against him if he claims credit.
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I am an attorney licensed in Wisconsin and Minnesota. I think the quickest and easiest thing is just to provide the letter to the clerk. Even if the clerk doesn't have authority to ask for the letter (and I didn't research whether or not she has authority), is it worth it to get into it with the clerk? You can't fight city hall, and even when you can, you won't make friends. My county has a sample letter of sponsorship on their website : http://www.co.saint-croix.wi.us/Department...SPONSORSHIP.pdf.
The clerk may be trying to cover herself so she is not in violation of sec. 765.30(2)(b), which is punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 and or up to 9 months in jail. See http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.d...tes/13857/13881.
Amy Rapoport
I don't suppose you might be interested in doing some legal advising for ULC of Wisconsin?
I agree that the easiest approach is to provide the letter, but timelines can be seriously impacted by this requirement. A license has a 5 day waiting period on it. If the couple only learns of this sponsorship at the last minute, getting a letter in time can be impossible. The best solution is to get this sponsorship letter requirement removed. I would like some help getting that ball rolling.
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still working under the impression it is a cult, and therefor leaving is not an option. Waiting for an intervention from my family, but I am not sure they have noticed the absense..
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Lost Battles: Reconstructing the Great Clashes of the Ancient World by Philip Sabin and Making Money by Terry Pratchett. Oh, and some book by Butcher.. his first dresden book, I think, but that is currently shelved.
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Hello, I recently married a couple and they decided that they wanted to take their wedding certificate to the CA courthouse themselves. I advised them that usually the officiant does this, but they insisted. Is this okay, or in CA does the officiant have to send it? Please advise.
hmm. well, depends of if you trust them, I guess. The law makes the officiant responsible. I can see where a couple could scam a minister in this fashion, if there were no witnesses the minister could rely upon, and say the minister failed to do their job, and bring legal action. This is a long shot, I should think, but possible.
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You will need a letter of sponsorship from someone of the same denomination who has a church under his/her ministry.
You can check out this link if you were ordained ULC through Modesto, CA!
I just realized that url still has the word temp in the title. Interesting.. Not important, but interesting..
As long as you perform the wedding under the authority of the ULC in modesto, I can write you a letter. I am not sure how it will work if you perform it under the auspices of your own church, because technically, I am not a part of that church. See the difference?
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Congratulations, Saint Koki of the Cooki, patron saint of red tape alleviation.
Are you planning to sell the Blessed Cookie on ebay?
no, I ate the cookie.. still have the fortune, in case it matters for the next promotion. If they follow the pattern, that will likely be my last opportunity for a BC slot.
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Congrats, and it seems to me that fortune cookie knows something. I hope u saved it for the lucky numbers on the back
ooooh.. I should buy a lottery ticket, promising to use the money to support my projects and such, just to test this miracle theory..
good idea..
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Well done, koki
I owe it all to the states rather odd statutes.. really.
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So, here I was floatin around the board the other day. I get this nomination for a Saint.
I consider it, and think, yeah, I can agree with that.
So, I shoot the boss a letter. He agrees with me, and we get it shipped out.
It arrived today.
Here's the contents of my letter to Kevin.
Congrats, koki...well deserved
I have to relate the story as I told it to you...
I was at work, and we ordered out Chinese. Anyway, my fortune cookie read.. "you are next in line for promotion". So what do I get when I get home? Coincidence, or miracle? discuss.
Thank you, I don't know that I deserve it, but I will mention it on my resume for the next Battalion Chief position.
Wisconsin Marraige Law
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The law in WI does not require registration, this is correct. I am not sure when the law was changed, but it has been like this for quite a while. I would say at least 10 years.. I assume you live in state. WI has a funny sponsorship law for non resident ministers..