Brother Kaman
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1 hour ago, mererdog said:
I would love to know your reasons.
I would love to communicate those reasons, however, I am not articulate and I am way to old to care if I am fully understood on this subject. Even a good layman's understanding of physics (including quantum physics) should, at the very least, open the possibility to anyone. I am presenting my opinion based on my understanding of how the universe (defined as all that exists and all that has existed and all that will exist) works. That, of course, is a work in progress.
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2 hours ago, VonNoble said:
I thought if that too. While it might not be an appropriate time to have thoughts about who is attractive....much of the before and after moments are quietly social.
An an attractive person remains attractive even when no one comments on it.
Happy is not necessarily laughing. It might be content (as in not negative) ( not griping) (not grumpy).....happy at a funeral does not necessarily mean happy the person is dead. It can mean one accepts the passing with grace and understanding.
von
The happiest people at a funeral are the living. You can break it down from there.
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2 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
True enough. Objective knowing about God is not possible. At least, not in the way we that know that water is H2O. Whether you know anything about water or not, water is knowable. That is the problem. That brings us back to unknowable. The kind of subjective knowing that you're describing is not useful. Perhaps inspired, but not useful.
Objective knowing about G/god may or may not be possible now. That does not mean it will never be. I believe that ultimately science will prove that G/god cannot exist. I believe that physics has already proven that, though I think I am in a minority. At the same time, I have no idea what another person has learned about the existence or non existence of G/god. All I know about it one way or the other is what I have been told, either verbally or by written words of scholars religious or otherwise.
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20 minutes ago, Key said:
On the subject of deities, this is true. Knowledge is singular in that regard. But for most other things, there are tests or questions for those.
Is that not what we are discussing?
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7 minutes ago, VonNoble said:
If it lives on....then it remains alive (a living legacy)
von
Call it what you want but sometimes that foot print is firmly planted on someone's butt.
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I can only know what I know. I cannot know what another may or may not know. No one can speak for me and I can speak for no other.
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1 hour ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
Yes. Which goes to my point. What is legacy and what is living on? The theme of this thread.
It all lives on. It is not all remembered.
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All acts, good, bad and indifferent, set off chain reactions that effect everyone around them. Kinda like the butterfly effect. What is remembered is moot.
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I will keep both your sister and you close in my thoughts and meditations.
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I will keep Rev. Bucher and his family close in my thoughts and meditations.
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4 hours ago, cuchulain said:
I read a book by the Dalai Lama recently in which he states that he doesn't seek to convert anyone away from their current religion, because if it works to help them to be better people he wouldn't want to steer anyone off that path. There are many cases where religion(in any form really, not just Christianity) DOES indeed help people to be better people. There are lots of people I have met that seem to have to have some rule book to live by, or they go off. They just can't get it together without someone telling them what's right and wrong. I don't know if they would be able to without religion, but religion is a fact of life in the world at large. But as you said, there are plenty of morals that aren't religiously attained. Plenty of people live moral lives without referencing the bible to solve their issues, or the Q'ran, or any other system of belief. It really is a case by case basis, I think.
Everyone has a system of belief. Not everyone has a religion or belief in the supernatural.
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4 hours ago, cuchulain said:
Speaking as a former Druid, it really didn't make much difference to me. There weren't enormous amounts of stupidity, I mean most people already knew that Halloween was borrowed from another tradition. The biggest thing I remember was the constant barrage by the Christians who believe Halloween is Satanic. They didn't want to celebrate it because it was originally a pagan holiday, but funnily enough had no problem with Christmas which was also borrowed from Pagans.
Must not forget easter eggs and the resurrection.
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Peter would seem to be just like the rest of us. We are all quick to flap our jaws as to what we would do under a certain set of circumstances until we actually face said circumstance.
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32 minutes ago, VonNoble said:
Considering for more than two centuries the followers of every holy text ....cannot agree 1) on the origins even with it in writing 2) the meaning of the context 3) the rituals and reverence required 4) which parts are literal and which are not .... it seems like the written version is under attack from within ... and continuously births new versions of itself... morphs and progresses .....till any connection is fairly unrecognizable from the original, maybe...
As opposed in some cases to tribal traditions which have remained unchanged for eons....
Thx for the exchange of ideas
von
How does one know the tribal oral traditions have remained unchanged? Does one take the word of the storyteller that he is repeating verbatim as was told to him and hasn't added or subtracted from the story? End the end we all have to just "believe" something we are told is true unless we can reproduce the results for ourselves.
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9 hours ago, VonNoble said:
I think it fits the topic nicely. Your awareness and evolution of thought is about self discovery.
Several years ago I read somewhere (possibly on this Forum) that as we mature as human beings - our understanding of "god/God" changes right along with us. You just seemed to get there faster (in chronologic years) than many of us - good for you.
In that growth process, we might for example be comforted by the all benevolent and forgiving father.
Later we are less dependent on the concept of God/god.
Eventually we grow up (if we work at it) and we realize that WE are responsible for happy in our lives.
TOO....at that point - we also see the other side of things and take responsibility fully for our actions. Each choice has a consequence and causes, in some way - whatever happens next.
Is that about right or how you see it too?
von
I have no memory of following the steps outlined above to come to where I am now but I do know that every action and decision I have made thru out my life has led me where I am now and there have been many consequences along the way as a result of those actions and decisions. Many of my decisions have led to actions that I may not necessarily be proud of but I am happy to be where I am in life and have no regrets.
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1 hour ago, VonNoble said:
Yes thx
I do not choose to feel guilty. That is one emotional response I have managed to completely control.
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53 minutes ago, VonNoble said:
Perhaps "control" was not quite accurate.
All of us assess our progress (usually at the end of the day) and often focus on the on thing we got wrong rather than the 100 we got right. In trying to keep emotions and assessments balanced (and celebrate your worth not just what you need to course correct) do you have method to redirect your thoughts.
In visiting with others I often hear what I presume is either frustration (not too patient with the process for many) or else guilt. So often it seems people feel guilty so much of the time (or that is what I hear) - do you find that as well?
von
I am sorry, I don't understand your question. Are you asking if I get emotional (guilty) when I have difficulty keeping other emotions balanced?
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5 hours ago, VonNoble said:
Agreed. The key to keeping those emotions on an even keel?
von
I have no key to controlling an emotional response beyond working to discipline one's self. Like all disciplines, it is not easy from what I have observed by my behavior and that of others.
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1 hour ago, VonNoble said:
It took me way longer than it took you to catch on... so I am officially impressed
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After I really sat back and considered not just what you said but the impact upon a life to realize that ( esp at a young age)....I really appreciate your sharing it... it comes bringing hope with it
von
Don't get too hopeful. Just because one can intellectualize a concept does not necessarily mean one can live it. When I was in the second grade, my brother and I were walking home from school. As we approached a church, I picked up a rock and threw it, striking the church wall. My brother told me I would burn in hell for striking G/god's house. I already ,knew that G/god did not sleep or take his meals there. It still took me most of my adult life to realize the Christian (and later other religion's) G/god's could not exist as described by their holy books. Sorry if that last part does not fit the topic. I used it only as an illustration.
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No one can make us feel guilty and no one can make us love them. We are the authors of our emotions.
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1 hour ago, RevBates said:
I have taken a new approach at the same time keeping my religues beliefs. I've started studying Buddhism and meditation and now I'm in the process of getting a sangha (community) group started in my town for those interested in learning the teachings and meditation practice of Buddha. This sangha would be opened to all people regardless of their religious background, gender, sex and sexual orientation.
Who will teach this?
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The same is true of the person who pushes the other from the bridge to his or her death.