I have just one more question. If the ULC in Washington thinks/believes they are a church, can they be mistaken or (heaven forbid)out & out *lying* to me? Can an entity, such as ULC monastery in Seattle, *claim* to be a church, but they aren't really a church and therefor should not send out ordination credentials? I'm guessing I have to check with Washington state? or Arizona state, where I actually live. I'm just very confused about whether the Monastery is a church or just some rogue entity that has taken money from me ... I paid (not a lot of money - seven dollars, I think) to obtain a credential from the Monastery. So, i guess what I really need to know is whether they are actually a church or just an internet fraud. I wonder where I may obtain truthful information about whether the Monastery is really a church. Again ... State of Washington, where they are based from? State of AZ, where I live? I promise I will check the validity ... i just don't know where to find out whether the Monastery is actually a church.