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  1. Liberal Christianity 2

    So far so good. God did not write the second set, Moses did. It's argued that Exodus 34:28 refers to God, but "he" is inconsistent with the respect displayed throughout the rest of the book. God also clearly instructs Moses to do the writing in Exodus 34:27. Or do you think verses 27 and 28 are talking about different covenants? Deuteronomy 5:7-12 lists the commandments on the first set, given in Exodus 20:3-17, not the second set. Of course they're identical, he's repeating the story. Let us assume (or believe, whatever) that both sets of tablets were written by the hand of God and were identical. I ask again, why did God give Moses a different set of ten commandments in Exodus:12-26? If they weren't on the tablets, why not? I can understand Moses might have had his hands full inscribing just ten, but surely God could have written more.
  2. Liberal Christianity 2

    If the commandments were so vital, why did God provide Moses with an entirely different set of rules after he smashed the first set of tablets?
  3. The L0Lcat Bible

    Infidel!! Let the holy war begin! "Udder buks onlee iz gud for sleepin-papurs; scrathinz in dem iz like, “Iz gud dis. No, iz gud dat, No, iz gud udder, doan MEK NO SENZ! Buk wif bestest meowingz, Rewfcat haz it. Srsly." - lolkoran 4:82
  4. Out Of Place Artifacts

    Digressing from giants for a moment... Pondering the political debates around here lately reminded me of another article linked through the ooparts site, so I thought I'd sew some threads together a bit. Hang in there, it all makes sense by the end. To begin, and since I'm a relative noob around here, I should share that I believe the only fair and moral system of government is Anarchism. I believe the same concept holds true for religion and science (they just use different currency; faith and information, respectively, instead of cash, though civil rights weaves through them all.) No matter the subject, when we drop back from our own perspectives long enough to see that the rules of the game change depending on where we're standing or how much we've learned, we can recognize the futility of stubbornly clinging to one ideology over another. A wise man once said "Everything is relative." Ok, more than one wise man has said it. If life is fluid, how are we to contain it in these webs we weave? We don't know it all, and we never will. Without such omniscience, it is but arrogance to claim to have any sort of authority over another at all. The flaw with the anarchic system, of course, is that most of us aren't yet mature enough to handle that kind of responsibility. I blame part of it on our weakly developed sense of empathym but we are an awful young species. It's useful, but cruelty and greed are much more efficient survival tools. The problem is, Life only cares that you live. It cares nothing for your comfort and less for anyone else's. It is up to us to *choose* to develop further than beasts. If you think anarchy means doing whatever you want, or that it must be achieved by force of arms, you've just demonstrated that you are not yet ready for it. So, if so many of us are still children, shouldn't we then still tell each other what to do? The answer is no. Don't like that word? Neither do children. How many more uncounted generations of suffering will it take to recognize that this approach doesn't work? Isn't even one too many? You see, nature doesn't change unless it's under pressure. That's why ants and squid and sharks and such have hardly (relatively speaking) changed in tens or hundreds of millions of years. They didn't need to. Yet, somehow, after all this time, we still cling to the notion that by tweaking the system or "sacred-text-bashing" our neighbors or collecting enough knowledge, that we can design the perfect solution to all our woes. The irony is, we already have one in place. One built into us from the beginning... it's called "Grow The Hell Up". Like those primordial creatures, we'll never be motivated to do it until we feel the pressure. I know, I know, it's a thoroughly unpleasant chore. Guess who avoids their chores? Yep. The question of old has been, how to get there from here? It's simple. Lay down your weapons, be they words or laws or bits of old bone and behave yourselves. It's not easy, but it's good for you. And when some of us still act like spoiled brats, treat each other with love and you'll be surprised how quickly it all turns around. Well, unless you're dead, then you're gonna have to catch it on YouTube... but Fear does not exist in this dojo! Your safety is an illusion, release it. Here's a suggestion: start with our children. Stop sending them off to places (you know, like schools) where it's illegal for them to receive moral instruction during the most formative times of their lives. Part-time parenting? Are you kidding me? We all need to be guided constantly. No wonder we go right from school into another system (you know, jobs) where morality has no place beyond the law, where compassion is shunned and anything goes (if you can get away with it). Sorry man, just business. We've run out of room to run, and we have to face the reality that we've always been a global village. As talented as we are, you'd think we could act like one. So, to sum up: Science isn't about proof, it's about probabilities. Religion isn't about commands, it's about guides. And the only governing we have to do is of ourselves. All these aspects overlap, and when we forget even one of these things we stop growing. What's worse, we prevent each other from growing. If you want to evolve, it's gotta hurt. But don't worry, love will heal the wound. The amazing power of Love is such that it transcends even (insert favorite divinity) For when you take (him/her/it/them) out of the equation, it is still our wisest course of action. ~~* Just another reminder from your friendly neighborhood bodhi. *~~ And yes, while I still confine myself to agreed upon conventions, I reject the laws of grammar by placing my periods willy-nilly around the quotes and parens. Aren't I a rogue?! (Please don't kill me!!) Now back to the Giants, already in progress... kick those Bums in the arse!
  5. Out Of Place Artifacts

    "And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells" - Enoch 7:2 It's not a precise unit, but 3000 ells = ~1 mile. That's just from the text you referenced. Laurence's translation has them at 300 cubits (~600 feet) (Enoch 7:12), but that's still pretty darn tall! I don't have a Ge'ez copy (and couldn't read it anyway) so I don't know what errors may or may not have been introduced along the way. That's the point, I actually agree with Dan and was just arguing against the "instant creation 6000 years ago" philosophy.. I could have been clearer.
  6. Out Of Place Artifacts

    According to the Book of Enoch the giant children of the fallen angels were about a mile tall. I don't recall anyone ever finding those bones, but I suppose the The Flood could have taken care of that. That alone would be cause to call them great. As to the age of the Earth... well, if you were an eternal being looking for something to do would you whip up the universe (as is) in a flash, or stretch it out over a few billion years? "And the righteous shall arise from their sleep, and wisdom shall arise and be given unto them." - Enoch 91:10
  7. Out Of Place Artifacts

    I think we got off on the wrong foot here, Brother Mike... I certainly didn't intend for my replies to come across as an offhand rejection of everything the site contains. I objected because much of their evidence seems to be intentionally arranged to mislead those who do not dig deeper into the mysteries, not that the information itself is necessarily errant. I've been dealing with that sort of mindset (based on faulty logic and abysmal scientific procedure) for a long time now, so if my frustration bled through and my posts seem dismissive or offensive I sincerely apologize. Frankly, I find your opinion of the topics to be more reliable than theirs. We may still disagree on some things, but you've brought some interesting items to my attention and I look forward to learning more. Peace.
  8. Out Of Place Artifacts

    There absolutely would be from me. It's not so much that I deny the evidence, it's with how the evidence is presented that I take issue. One example is the "airplane" artifacts. Ancient cultures were far wiser and more knowledgeable than we often give them credit for but, even if they are legitimate, flying toys do not mean one can leap to the conclusion that they had the capability of flight; only that they had an understanding of aerodynamic concepts. The "helicopter" of Abydos is portrayed in the same fashion, and the site is full of such "proof". That's why I believe it to have an agenda.
  9. Out Of Place Artifacts

    At eleven at night that was the most concise expression of the website I could manage. There's some good information there, and a lot of pseudo-scientific conjecture designed to mislead the ignorant. It strikes me as nothing more than an attempt to justify literal creationist theory with half-truths and unsupported hypotheses. I'm happy to discuss it all in more detail, but I wanted to study the site in more depth before I got too involved. Let me start with Noah's Ark.. why would anyone think it's on top of a mountain? When the flood waters receded, it is said, the dove returns with an olive branch. Well olive trees don't grow at 3800+ meters, so it must have come from a much lower elevation. This means the water at the time must have been even lower than that. They should be looking for the thing in the plains, or at best the lower slopes. As for the flood itself.. while there is evidence of global flooding, it lies buried deep below many other layers. Creationists like to say God created those layers all at once. Why then is the flood layer not at or very near the top if it only happened a few thousand years ago? Did He pull back the waters and suddenly whip up more dirt to mess with us? There's way too much to go over in a single post, so I'll address the issues as they arise. I especially like the one where they "disprove" the evolution of the coywolf by attributing its development to an evolutionary process.
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  11. I Am White Dog...

    ...or so I am named by both the Dreamspell and Chinese zodiac. As Kokopelli bears the seeds and promise of spring, so am I a weaver of the Yellow Seed Wavespell, and this is a day of great healing power and responsibility for me. Whatever your faith I ask only that you join me in prayer today so that we may ALL come together in harmony, and find peace. I Channel in order to Love Inspiring Loyalty I seal the Process of Heart With the Resonant tone of Attunement I am guided by the power of Spirit I am a galactic activation portal Enter me
  12. Liberal Christianity

    I find this absolutely hilarious coming from someone who apparently hasn't even considered the Preface to his own "authorized" version (itself derived from Greek translations of Hebrew texts.) "They that are wise, had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other." I do not doubt that the word of God is contained within, but to claim it is the sole and ultimate authority is to display an ignorance and arrogance that even the translators did not possess. "For is the kingdom of God to become words or syllables? Why should we be in bondage to them if we may be free, use one precisely when we may use another no less fit, as commodiously?" Personally I prefer the 1613 KJV, but don't tell my wife.
  13. Open Question About Morals

    Any action can be, and probably is, both moral and immoral at the same time... just depends on who you ask. Suicide can be considered immoral if you believe that your life belongs to God and "Thou shalt not kill" applies not just to other people, but yourself as well. Or maybe it's just silly. Depends who you ask.