Brother Michael Sky
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tell tell tell!
I'm pretty vocal and i assume folks remember my previous posts..... prolly that whole pesky arrogance thing again....
However, I believe we are all on individual paths leading towards the same place in the end...
These paths take souls through shadow and light, based on choices...
No path is more important, or intrinsicly more appropriate than any other...
As far as the development of the souls in progression around this planet goes.... morality is an abstract concept... a method of ensuring a certain type of incarnation, in the effort to experience a specific set of experiences.... for the edification of your higher self..
In physical embodiment it is just what it seems... the gathered consensus of opinion... a framework to judge reactions before the fact... and punishment after... a method to employ law...
and I honestly see no grand plan involving the qualities encouraged by anyones version of morality... when we shed the physical, we will shed any idea of morality, to follow an individual path onwards... our only concern being how to get closer to our creator...
This is why, I feel, there is such a disparity between the morality of ages.... between the morality of generations really.... why i see morality as a fluid concept, my own personal morality is more cerebral... it is my personal opinion as to what is correct, in the most senses of the word, in any one instance... it is not necessarily what society as a whole would approve of... quite obviously, i would think.....
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I believe the literal view is clear from the verse you previously quoted; "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" The sons of God (fallen angels) had children with women. Their progeny were giants (Nephilim). The Israelites failed to kill all of the Nephilim, and its unknown how many escaped to other countries. Enoch 6:2 confirms Genesis 6:4.
what is the age of the earth in your belief Dan? I ask this, because this has been a question in my mind for a long time. Attending services way down south i was first introduced to the idea that fossils and such were planted in the earth during creation to test the faith of man. Is this your view? I've wondered at the reasoning behind this for a long time....
Not that i automatically dismiss it, I rather feel that the time periods referred to are confused... or that the facts of the matter are understood a little different than was originally the case... I'm not looking to argue about this, i honestly want understanding from another view...
This discussion, i feel, complicates the idea.... why giant bones? why plant them alongside giant lizards? why the bones of giants, which are talked about in the book... doesn't this confuse a literal faith?
I am curious how this is put to rest in your own mind......
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Perhaps. But perhaps not. There are limits to our ability to figure things out...
There are currently multiple theories being argued, and while some have garnered more acceptance than others, none seem to have been conclusively proven.
My point is that I don't see how there can be.
Coming up with possible answers is easy. Being comfortable with the answers we come up with is also easy. Conclusive proof is hard. Which means that knowing is much harder than thinking we know.
That depends on whether we are considering the facts, or are going beyond the facts to consider the theories invented to explain the facts. If we are considering theories, how well (or poorly) they are proven is going to come up eventually.
Of course, since the world still existed, we were able to test the theory. If all we had to go on were left-over fragments and historical references, it would be a whole nother kettle of fish...
so until there is conclusive proof, there is no point in discussing a topic? You are in an interesting place for such a sentiment.... ( a philosophical thread on a religious forum.... )
for an example of how study makes for understanding : hobbitt article
and no, they are not 100% sure yet.... and neither were the early explorers who found a round world..... there must be an idea before it can be proven... if you wait for the facts first, there will be no investigation... there is enough existing to search for an answer.... too frequently anomolies which do not fit the established view are completely ignored...
and while merrerdog is arguing about the likelyhood of a subject which cannot, at this time, be explained.... i was wondering how our more fundamental friends feel on the subject...... what does one with a literal view of the bible feel about this subject?
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how can i tell you if we've never seen them before? perhaps by moving along there will be an answer....How would we know what tell tale signs to look for, if we had never seen them before?
If someone living some time in a forgotten past had a unique deformity, and they lived a long and otherwise healthy life, leaving behind only their bones for us to examine... I suspect many of us would be convinced the remains were those of an abnormal human, and many of us would be equally convinced the remains were those of something not quite human (alien, monster, or missing-link?). And I honestly see no way to prove the point either way short of a full genetic workup- and, even then, my knowledge of genetics is too poor to really be certain the results would be conclusive....
If our forgotten deformity had been passed down for a number of generations before dying out, examples to study would be more prevalent, but I don't see how they'd make the truth more obvious, so much as just give people on all sides more evidence to build their shaky conclusions on...
didn't the whole " island of hobbitts " thing give us all a little idea how they figure these things?
Is it really your point that there can be no conclusive decision?
On one hand, your knowledge is such that you have an answer for giant skeletons, on the other you don't have the proper training to decide...... but you are quick to point to " shaky conclusions ".... is it possible to consider such things without resorting to the consideration of " shaky conclusions "? It was once a " shaky conclusion " that the world was round..... tightened the sphincters of many a sailor for a long time....
....with no exploration of the unknown there can be no new discoveries...
Yes calling everyone evil, having a reputation for killing them and trying to snip their tallywackers while talking to your invisible friend is no way to make friends.
Of course the alternative of killing them and destroying their countires and helping then rebuild afterwards is only moderately better.
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I guess ultimately morality is in the eye of the beholder.
This, i feel, is the most accurate idea yet.... but for much different reasons....
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pssst. fawzo.....
"Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. . . . We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature. And there we saw the GIANTS, the sons of Anak, which come of the GIANTS: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so were we in their sight" (Numbers 13:28-33).
The word for "giants" here is the same word used in Genesis 6:4 -- the Nephilim. Obviously, therefore, some of them lived after the Flood.
from a website using the companion bible...:
In the book of Deuteronomy, Moses writes of the land of Moab, "The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims" (Deut.2:10-11). The word for "giant" here is Raphah, which means "giant." Interestingly, the same word also means "ghost, dead, deceased." The Rephaim were another of the lines of giants which existed after the Flood. Moses tells us of the land of Moab, "That also was accounted a land of giants; GIANTS dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead" (v.20-21).
Og, the king of Bashan, conquered by Moses and the Israelites on their entrance into the Promised Land, was one of the giants. "For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits [approximately 14 feet!] was the length thereof, and four cubits [6 feet] the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man [i.e., a normal man -- the normal cubit measured 18 inches]" (Deut.3:11). Bashan, the land of Og, was called "the land of giants"(v.13; see also Josh.12:4, 13:12). The valley of Hinnom, the refuse dump for Jerusalem, a type of the final Gehenna fire, lay eastward of the "valley of the giants" (Josh.15:8; 18:16). Joshua 17:15 mentions the "Rephaim," another branch of the "giants." These dwelt in the region near Sodom and Gomorrah in the time of Abraham (Gen.14:5; 15:20; see also II Sam.5:18,22; 23:13).
In an ancient text of the Jews, we read an astonishing description of some of these gigantic Amorites whom the Israelites conquered. In Buber's Tanhuma, Devarim 7, the text tells us of a Rabbi Johnanan ben Zakkai's encounter with the Roman Emperor Hadrian. This event occurred in about A.D. 135, soon after the Roman victory in the Bar Kochba war, when the Jews rebelled against the Romans. The text reads:
"The wicked emperor Hadrian, who conquered Jerusalem, boasted, 'I have conquered Jerusalem with great power.' Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said to him, 'Do not boast. Had it not been the will of Heaven, you would not have conquered it.' Rabbi Johanan then took Hadrian into a cave and showed him the bodies of Amorites who were buried there. One of them measured eighteen cubits [approximately 30 feet] in height. He said, 'When we were deserving, such men were defeated by us, but now, because of our sins, you have defeated us'" (quoted in Judaism, edited by Arthur Hertzberg, p.155-156, George Braziller, New York: 1962).
Thirty feet tall! The bones of these men were still in existence during the time of Josephus, the Jewish historian of the first century!
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How do you test for an unknown illness or unheard of deformity?
i would suppose by examining the bones for tell tale signs?? as in pathology...
pa·thol·o·gy /pəˈθɒlədʒi/ Show Spelled[puh-thol-uh-jee]
noun,plural-gies.
1.the science or the study of the origin, nature, and course of diseases.
then perhaps the unknown becomes known?
the unheard of deformity test has me stumped... please enlighten me....
interesting angle you interject with here mererdog...
The Old Testament really doesn't say there were Giants except maybe for Goliath who was thought to be about 6'7''
All the other refrences were interpreted from the Hebrew word for "tall" they went through this debate at the Great Randi's educational forum.
well fawzo...
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
-- Genesis 6: 1-4 (KJV)
but who or what are the " giants ".......
That was originally how i wanted to start this... just clumsy i guess....
a quote from a web page:
Regardless of whether the Anakim were actually related to the Nephilim, it is obvious that the Israelites were dealing with giants. If our understanding is correct that a cubit was approximately 18 inches, then Goliath, at "six cubits and a span," was somewhat over 9 feet tall.
never looked up the length of a cubit tho...
I think we got off on the wrong foot here, Brother Mike... I certainly didn't intend for my replies to come across as an offhand rejection of everything the site contains. I objected because much of their evidence seems to be intentionally arranged to mislead those who do not dig deeper into the mysteries, not that the information itself is necessarily errant. I've been dealing with that sort of mindset (based on faulty logic and abysmal scientific procedure) for a long time now, so if my frustration bled through and my posts seem dismissive or offensive I sincerely apologize. Frankly, I find your opinion of the topics to be more reliable than theirs. We may still disagree on some things, but you've brought some interesting items to my attention and I look forward to learning more.
Peace.
I must admit to being hasty in my presentation of this idea..... I would have received a better response had i explained myself better... my apologies as well...
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The last video I posted explains how a tumour pressing on the anterior pituitary gland will cause a constant and abnormally large secretion of growth humans from childhood. The pituitary gland and tumor are not likely to survive the rotting of the flesh off the skeleton. The remaining evidence would be the giantism.
That said.... at least some of the giant skeleton pictures have been proven to be hoaxes.
truth is, i never actually intended to argue your opinion... your miles ahead of me here actually... but thanks for all the opinion and info.....
Years ago, I was at the Museum of Natural History (NYC) looking over one of their exhibits. The exhibit demonstrated how large bones of certain very real animals could be put together in such a way that they would look like the skeleton of a humanoid giant.
This points to one of the problems with evidence. It is not enough to have evidence. The evidence must be correctly understood. It is possible to have very real evidence and interpret badly, ending up with a false consclusion. This is why Science is constantly self correcting.
One more thing. It is very good, in my opinion, to be open minded. We just don't want to be so open minded that the brain falls out.
Jonathan Lobl
wise words in my opinion.... I make the mistake at times of assuming others verify their own facts as well as i do myself... however, there can be no arguing the wealth of information this site contains.... as with any information, discretion is the keyword.... am i not correct?
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When so many people are confused by the basics of evolution theory -- I am reluctant to talk about giants. Still, bring it on.
Jonathan Lobl
it could be YOU who straightened those confused folks out....
It was not my intention to imply that any giant human-type ( is that more appropriate? )being would have to be, or would be in any way, related to humans... obviously i don't have any info to say things like that....
all i can talk about is what has been found..... and speculate.... that's what i am so painfully attempting here.....
and i thought this would drag us into a friendlier, less argumentative conversation..... involving issues that explore the lesser known possibilities of this world we live in.... exposing a little of the worlds wonder, for folks who have things so buttoned down...
all this time standing in front of groups of people, think i woulda figured some things out by now........
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I see your point and agree with some group's intent of purpose premise. As far as an "agenda," how would evidence of a prehistoric helicopter further Christianity (unless that's how Jesus ascended)? As far as obvious looking tanks, airplanes and rocket ships appearing on cave walls, what other conclusion could I draw as to what they are - the idea of non-working prototype drawings is a little far-fetched also.
rev.rainbow i love telling folks to look up the viminas as reported by the vedas... simply fascinating stuff... actual blueprints for flying vehicles... rolling powered vehicles... detailed explanations of the functions of the vessels... accounts of the vehicles in action, combat and otherwise.... detailed discussions of weapons of all types, including a bomb that can only be a nuclear bomb... etc... and the list goes on and on.... fascinating stuff... flight engineers have studied these drawings and say they have aeronautical properties which could only have been discovered through experience... they had to have been flying these things to have them at the point they were at in the drawings....
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Dinosaurs are not extinct. I eat some every day. We just no longer call them dinosaurs because they have changed and are smaller. Most animals have gotten smaller. Except for us. We seem to be getting bigger.
There was a flood about 10,000 years ago or so. It marked the last big melt of the present Ice Age. It flooded our oceans and the are at a much higher level than they were at the peak of the last glaciation. If you are worried about the rising water, don't be. This is also peaking and the return of the ice is around the corner.
I saw a program on TV about the recent efforts to unlock some genes during the development of bird embryos. By turning on various dormant gene groups they are able to spur the development of teeth and scales, resulting in animals which would be more recognized as dinosaurs that birds. They are planning to eventually release to dinosaur trapped inside the bird.
This is where those who disagree with evolution will never prevail. The past of all animals is still existent in the DNA of current animals, with the exception of animals that have gone extinct. But even the DNA of extinct animals is slowly being retrieved for study. DNA is not just a blueprint for current life; It also contains a record of past life.
As for the abilities of prehistoric man, they were the same as our own. We have not changed much in the past few ten of millennium. Some of us have developed lighter skin thanks to the Ice Age. Some of us are more about to digest milk or other foods. None of us has grown a giant brain. If anything humans have devolved due to the lack of physical stress our society is subjected to.
the highlighted portion was something i wanted to bring up as well - notice: i still have much to explore about the following...
There are a number of these giant skeletons that have been found which have an excessive cranial capacity... and it is not seen as a result of an illness or deformity.... the last, and most sucessful attempt at aging these skeletons has given a confusing date of 10,000 - 12,000 years ago..... the same time as the assumed building time of many of the largest monuments on our planet.... does the increased size and cranial capacity of these beings give us another avenue of exploration to resolve these mysteries?
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Documentaries about the search for Noahs ark, and documentaries about archaeological evidence backing other Bible stories, are still recycled on TLC, Discovery, and various documentary channels in the UK.
As to the webauthor of this site and his views regarding giants.
These are sweeping and untrue statements. There are more people than Christians who take an interest in stories of giants, more cultures than Christian that have stories of giants, and of course there are theoretical evolutionary explanations for their theoretical existence just as there are explanations for any abnormally large modern mammals, fish, bugs, and humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_%28mythology%29 <-- Norse, Greek, Hindu, Balt, Basque - Cultures with giant myths.
Just look at what these people consider to be evidence that science supposedly has no genetic/evolutionary explanation for.
Modern people. Extra fingers. Extra toes. Double rows of teeth. I notice they use examples of people living in developing nations. Well, actually, it's happening all over the world, not just the mysterious alleys of distant foreign lands.
These are well known, well documented, well studied phenomenon which have been thoroughly dealt with and explained by science. It's common in cats and other creatures as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
A bit of research into the results of mass experimentation of humans to study the results of exposing populations to radiation will illuminate some of the truly amazing things that little genetic mistakes will produce.
People who believe in 'Lizard Men' or aliens have sometimes used as evidence for this pictures of babies that have thick, dark, scaly armourlike skin and totally red bulging eyes. The pictures are real, but they are pictures of babies born with a genetic maladyw which causes them not to shed their skin, the way that the rest of us do. The malady begins and continues in the womb so that when they are born their skin has layered and layered and layered until it is like armour, and it is not maleable so that when they move the armour splits and cracks open, so that bacteria can get in through the cracks. The pressure of all those layers of skins normally flips their eyelids backwards causing the appearance of red, bulging, unnatural eyes. They do very much look like aliens. But they are human and survival past infancy was unheard of until one boy in the states had a rather ingenius doctor try acne cream to return maleability to his skin. Turning the eyelids right required surgery, more than once. The condition is called Harlequin's Disease. We know what it is. We know what causes it. It's not a mystery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOPARxS2qak&feature=related
Likewise - extra fingers, extra toes, extra rows of teeth, heck even extra heads! It's not a mystery. We know what causes it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbaT7brkS5E
<<-- these kids are AWSOME!Now, let's look at Giantism!
<--- VERY informative.Check out Wadlow! He looks, proportionately alot like the pictures that can be found on Egyptian glyphs of Giants. Imagine a dwarf on the lap of a giant.
There is no reason to believe that these abnormalities wouldn't have been even more common during early human development, if not equally common. Particularly as, as the author of OOPARTS points out, giantism in some mythologies has been associated with other genetic abnormalities such as polydactylism.
That said - if this is used as evidence for christianity then it also has to be used as evidence for all the other religions and cultures who incorporate fantastic stories of giants. And the Norse have dwarfism on their side too!
Another rare genetic abnormality is progeria, which appears as rapid aging. -
This and other genetic conditions such as AUTISM or BRAIN DISORDERS were once seen in Europe as evidence of fairies and changelings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling
http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/3/271.extract
http://www.helium.com/items/1742381-mythical-creatures-changeling
Even modern parents find the stories and legendary descriptions fitting to their experience.
Changelings, Giants, Lizardmen, Polydactyls, Dwarves...
All of these people have one thing in common: They are all very much human.
i was thinking we hadn't even established what to refer to as a giant.... you seem to be focussing on humans.... ok then, well, one of the things i wanted to point out was this...:
some of the giant skeletons which have been found are examples of fully functioning people who have the usual stresses and strains to the body... some are obviously super tall as the result of something going awry with the body... there are methods to determine this as you apparently know...
I ask you how does a fifteen foot man, with no abnormalities, excepting the size, fit into your idea of an illness? and how do you explain the sheer numbers of confirmed skeletons found.... one would think there would be one fellow walking around at 15 foot if it was so normal a thing....they'd be one guy in the NBA who simply sat in the center of the court dunkin both goals....
and if you are suggesting radiation as a cause..... please explain your thinking.... because it doesn't make sense to me....and dear friend, if you have followed my posts, you know I am not defending their interesting Christian perspective, merely using the collection of reports they have as a source of leads for research.....
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matters not what we talk about, simply a conversation starter....
however, I have personally seen some of the bones that have come out of west virginia... pretty hard to deny a human femur which is as long as my leg..( I'm 6'7" ).. and yes, it may look like a few other bones, but a human femur is pretty easy to identify... as well as a skull... pretty hard to fail to notice that a skull is a skull....
and wouldn't dinosaurs qualify as "giants in the earth"..... but please do explain the 15 foot tall human skeletons with the extra large cranial capacity which have been found all over the planet....
Thank you rev. rainbow for accepting the site as it was intended. as a storehouse of original information... as far as tools go... the japanese are drilling into a glacier and have found tools, jewelry, and household items down around the 10-12 million year range.... and have admitted all they've found.... very interesting... theres a story on the site about a rock hammer which has petrified and started to turn to coal in the handle, two happenings which are supposed to happen seperately over immense time periods. I havent researched it however it looks interesting...
and "I have felt for a long time that many things in our lives have not been newly discovered but simply re-discovered from times past. Both religion as well as science have anathematized things that were not in line with their rationale of "truth." " - i could talk about that for a while..... and i agree...
and yes, kingfisher, they are very clear about their Christian agenda..... very clear.... better than not being so, wouldn't you think?? try looking around a little, and perhaps chasing down some of the " leads " presented ( for thats what most of it is - reports from news agencies and other sources...) before throwing a big " I don't believe " around in the air, when it is painfully obvious you haven't had enough time to judge a single story from the page with any surety.... just spouting off about what you dont like.......
panpareil - I like the direction your thoughts take....
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this is an attempt to take these subjects seriously for debate... i don't attest to their validity... only those i have personally researched... the website doesn't claim they are true... but there are anomalies in this world which interest a great many people... this website is a treasure trove of original information which you may research for yourself...theres a dozen categories ranging from the sublime to the bizarre and the best we get is a heckler and an echo??
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::headdesk::
probably for the best.....
Ignorance is bliss.... go back to sleep...
sounds like a ridiculous topic? try some research before you show your bliss.....
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There's this website i like.....
It's really an interesting site.....
It is OOPARTS & Ancient High Technology -- Evidence of Noah's Flood? The Site
Now, I've been following this website as it has been developing for years now, and I have found some very interesting leads to stories here... These folks have done a huge amount of research for all this information ( to gather the stories, i mean..) and some of this stuff is flat out fascinating as you do your research and begin to find out there is truth in some of it ( i have hopes that much of it is... but i don't have that much time to check it all... )
The point of giving you this link is to bring some of these topics out into the open... there is so much information on this site, it should be fairly easy to find a viewpoint on one of the topics covered and share or ask for opinions...
This site is run by Christians - it is based from their viewpoint - they are very up-front about that... but they bring up things that have been forgotten about for a long time... and they ask questions......
Seriously folks, when i get into my research, this site gives me goosebumps frequently... finding out that some of these things are real is sometimes fairly shocking.... well, anyway, here is the point of view from those running the ooparts site. It is meant as a teaser to get you to visit them.... Ooparts
Point of View:We have a Biblical viewpoint on the world. Ooparts are evidence, we think, that the Flood actually happened. News items or magazine articles that report them may not have the same perspective that Christians do. When we read for instance, a scientific article that puzzles over our lack of genetic variability, we think of the Flood of Noah. We would include that article here, without editing, because we expect Christians to use their filters on such an article. That does not mean that we agree with the evolutionary timeframe given in said article.
We think it�s more interesting when general newspaper articles or science articles observe data that they might see one way, but that Christians might see another way given our own knowledge about God, creation and the flood. It�s more interesting to quote Stephen Jay Gould saying that �the lack of transitional fossils is the trade secret of paleontology�, than it might be to hear another Christian say it.
So, no we don�t believe the universe is millions or billions of years old. We don�t know how old it is�we just know who created it and how long it took Him. We do not believe in pre-Adamic races, though we do believe that there were �civiilizations� prior to the Flood. We don�t believe in space aliens or cooties. We expect you to use your own knowledge filter on this site.
make sure as you go through the pages to follow the numbers at the bottom of the pages or you will miss much of the material...
well, there ya go folks. I would like to start the discussion with:
Giants, did they REALLY exist? Can you REALLY doubt it?
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I am one of those unsophisticated cretins who think poetry has to rhyme and that none are better than mine. Whenever I see a poem my ego takes over and I'd rather read the book of Chronicles backwards.
Aaargh I tried to read it twice now but to no avail.
and i thot alpacas were cultured animals.....
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I'm crushed.... not a single comment for one of my favorite poems ever??....
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welcome Rriggs.... glad to have you here... many are disillusioned by experiences in churchs, I am glad to see you found your way here... perhaps you will find fellowship to help build those spiritual batteries back up....
and Observer...... whooo hoooo.....
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welcome Minister John, glad you decided to take that step... keep following that instinct... it may turn into more than you expected....
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I'm free, because of my failure to believe in the inerrancy of the text, to ignore the part about judgement... if I so choose.... you however, i wonder how you get around it....
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The existance of such a concept, in my opinion, implies there IS an innate affinity for constructive behavior " built-in " the human ... we are bound to see a range of thought on any topic... this affinity is going to express itself in a range of thought as well... Morality makes sense, if for no other reason then the common sense it makes to cooperate with one another... cooperation = progress... there must be a consensus to have rules... the consensus is the Moral Standard...
sound plausable??
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Do you mean it's an artificial and arbitrary construct? Some "rules" are, but basic social morality seems to be more of an evolutionary development in order to maximize the survivability of the human tribe. After all, if everyone was killing each other over firewood and berries, the entire tribe would eventually die out. "Tribes" where people get along due to an innate social behavior such as respect for others, have a better chance of survival.
I like this..... especially the firewood and berries thing....
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I respectfully disagree with Brother Michael Sky. I believe everyone can explore as I believe in EWOP (everything works out perfectly) Our soul/spirit/high self is a perfect guide for us and will never present us with something we aren't ready to deal with. I do agree, that an intent helps make it more productive traveling. In fact, to do it a lot just for fun or to feel good, like anything, can lead to a useless addiction. But astral travel or OBE with an awareness and a purpose is a wonderful tool for healing and understanding our spirit self. Trusting our higher self is the key and traveling is a good way to learn this.
Just my 2 cents...
P.S. In my flesh space life, I teach classes on how to use Astral travel as an efficient, effective tool and for fun on occasion. I believe and encourage everyone to try it.
I understand what you are saying, however i stand by what i said... there is very little use for the astral besides fun and curiosity... beyond the personally validating experience....the astral is simply a place i try to pass through without paying attention... as a soul's vibration increases ( through spiritual exploration and curiosity ) much more interesting and personal things become apparent.... ( and before you ask Fawzo - the experiences would depend on the soul involved )
Understand I am not trying to correct you, I am just being clear for those who may read this later... different experiences, different people... a good point to make...
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they remembered a trip down south, and fired up the grill. "Y'all ever et racoon?" they asked.
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I wonder at the idea of a Fallen Angel.... would an angel, by very description, be a being with advanced knowledge of some sort? some knowledge which made that being seem " great "... In this context, I'm very curious... even nefarious characters can be remembered as Great...
according to the book of enoch, the fallen angels were guilty of teaching the arts and sciences to man...
supposedly, before he was ready....
Isn't the book of enoch an interesting read? sacred-texts_Book of Enoch
support that site !!!
Personally, I don't know what to believe at this point.... and i've been at this point for a long time... i wonder how many of the bones that have been found are gracing a front porch in west virginia, instead of a scientist's lab...