Raven's Trikes

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  1. With the current trend against any and all religions other then Obamaism, ESPECIALLY against the Christians, and for economic reasons, covered up as religious, the Muslims, its becoming harder each day for me to imagine one without them...

    They where not disasters.... They where ideological and religiously motivated MURDERS, carried out by vehemently anti-gun organizations...

    The media would have you believe that law abiding, civilian gun owners are "evil".... But I have yet to see a group of them burning men, women and children alive inside of a building they had surrounded and laid siege to...

    Frankly, the further "off track" our political system goes, the more need I see for just such a thing as Church Armories..

    While I agree with you Stormy...I should be clear that we never set out to start an armory, it came to us by way of the death of one of our members. Now, of course red flags will go up everywhere because we have all those guns...my job, as captain of this ship, is to guide us through these waters without anyone getting hurt...of course it already too late for that, one person is dead( Bobby) and another person has been seriously injured and scared for life (me)...so I don't know, I just want to handle this situation as best I can.

  2. AFAIK I'm NTAFU, but IDHAC what language the last post is in. WOTH, that one. But I guess, I was LW1EO.

    TLTG, I Guess.



    I'm sorry, I not cool enough on the computer to have clue what your talking about. But I know your a nice guy, so I assume your not making too much fun of me?

    to buy an NFA item, or SBR, SBS, Suppressor, FA etc you need, as a private individual, the signature or your local CLEO. to get around that requirement you can form a trust or a corporation and no longer have to bother with a recalcitrant or obstructionist CLEO. they no longer have any input at all.

    say you want to buy a MG42 to plink with on weekends{hahahaha} you would need to file the BATFE paperwork, and get the CLEO signature, say the local CLEO is anti gun, you might be SOL. Instead you form a limited trust or corp, now you don't have to get that signature and the CLEO can't stand in your way no matter how much of an ass he is!

    You may be on something here, I just need someone to crack the codes for me, so I know what your talking about. Thanks my friend.

  3. I didn't realize that. I'll have to look into it some more. My statement was, of course, based on my memory where I do not remember any spot on the 4473 where you can put an organizations name as opposed to an individuals. I do realize that once an individual is cleared by the FBI using the 4473, the firearm can usually be sold to anyone, or any organization, in a private sale occurring solely within the state.

    Bears more checking into.

    I shall proceed with caution

  4. let me clear a few things up.

    the guns came, or most of the guns anyway, came as a result of an inheritance...but its not the kind of inheritance we really wanted. The brother of one of the board members killed himself using one of those guns. Not pleasant I know, but lets just get this out in the open. There a two properties associated with (but not owned by) the church, that being the Baltimore Universal Church.

    One property, the one I reside in, operates as a boarding house as well as the official office. The other property is a multi-use facility which has two apartments, a number of rented garages (the B.U.C rents two), a basement which me and Dale, the owner, fixed up to have a pool table, kitchen et, and powder room, and it is also a licensed Day Care facility, although that is separate from the Church.

    The "armory" of over 40 guns included antiques and guns that are not in firing condition. on the other hand, it also includes some serious guns. Our beloved Bobby was an avid gun collector; its such a shame he got hooked on prescription pills and just got depressed. He had shot a hole through his roof a year before, and Dale, his brother and board member with the B.U.C. had to help patch the hole.

  5. Our situation is entirely different than Waco, or Ruby Ridge, or MOVE or whatever; and it has nothing to do with “religious guns”. I did some research into those groups and what I call “religious disasters”.

    The main part of my question in the original post was “Aside from being under lock and key, what are the restrictions for a organization keeping an armory?”

    Theres a reason why the Wells Fargo trucks are armor plated and the guys who carry the money are armed. They are just there to do a job, not to police or judge or enforce, and the money they carry isn't theirs; but if they weren't armed, people would rob them everyday...so I guess its about having something people want and wanting to protect it.

    Edited to add: that the B.U.C. is, and has always been in full cooperation with all Federal, State, and Local authorities.

  6. Cult? Cult! I don't know what you're talking about.

    Have some koolaid. it will make you feel better.

    I've been drinking the stuff all day and its not working..maybe put some more of that clear stuff in it? or just give me a gin&tonic, tall glass with lots of ice please...?

  7. First, a felon cannot be in possession of a weapon, period. That's possession, not own.

    Second, the only time an entity other than an individual can be the registered owner of a gun is when that entity is a federally licensed firearms dealer. Otherwise, the sale must happen to an individual.

    Now, having said that, if a STATE has registration requirements other than the Form 4473 required by the feds for the sale of a firearm, and it is called a registration, then other states rules may apply. The above only applies to the federal requirements of the sale of a firearm.

    Thank you for your answers, taken seriously. It seems clear enough that a felon cannot handle a gun. I don't own a gun myself so I don't know all this. In Maryland a child over twelve can hunt with their parents. There is a wonderful pond to go fishing in( excepting the snapper turtles) and plenty of trial;s to hike, so no worry.: ) plenty to do...

  8. Church Armories

    I've got more questions than I could possibly list now but for starters the idea came to me when I began planning a day trip out to my brother in laws property so that me and my city slicker friends could fire off guns (legally registered) on private property without the hassles of expensive ranges. Not to mention, I'm trying (secretly) to convince him to join us and allow us to make future field trips to the mountains.

    Then others wanted to come along, including those who would not be old enough or otherwise able to own a gun...

    Now I suppose that on private property a child can shoot a gun under adult supervision? What about a prior felon? Again, I'm talking about many acres of privately owned mountain property?

    Aside from being under lock and key, what are the restrictions for a organization keeping an armory?

    Can a church own guns in its name or do they have to be registered to individuals?

    I'm having a hard time getting straight answers.

    l appreciate any guidance...