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  1. To me this is the most probable explanation of most of these things. Parallel universes are becoming a more and more accepted version of reality even by the theoretical physicists. --Actually what made me originally eons ago :derisive: interested about re-incarnation--even Seth, was a little book, "The education of over-soul Seven" by Jane Roberts, that went into this.

    blessings and peace,


    Yes I have read almost all of Jane Roberts works. If I'm not mistaken I think she had two books with "over-soul seven" in the title and I read one of them but not 100% sure it is the one you listed.

  2. ~ I have few memories of lives past lived. They were simple.

    I was very proud to be elevated to a higher pool to wash, white marble needs cleaning.

    I was a turnip farmer with a wife & 5 children & the Lord rode past.

    Frank Sinatra killed me.

    I have vivid memories of dying. Dying is unpleasant. The 'unravelling' is icky. Seriously.

    Now you're all gonna consider me crazy...

    That's fine.

    I'm not sure how to explain this, but Elemental.

    I was once Fire.

    Commanded Fire because I needed to. My 'sister' stole my crown.

    It was bad. It's a shame I still feel though I don't know from when or where.

    ... Silly thing? I bought myself a tiara & it soothes me.

    & what we fought over was wood!

    The damage was horrid.

    I know, I'm not making much sense, I apologise.

    How old was Frank Sinatra when he is said to have killed you, and what is the difference in your ages? This one seems a little improbable if re-incarnation is a linear process, which it may not be and there might be various yous running around simulateously in some models of it

  3. Of course--Jonathan, Fawzo. God created us to experience Himself/Herself/Itself/Themselves all through us. We are merely the sounding board, or the tool. :derisive: --as we do, it becomes a symbiotic relationship--we grow as well as "GOD/Gods or whomever" grows and expands through the experiences.

    These days I have to be specific and politically correct about the"name" :derisive:



    Your post about the sounding board made me think of myself as a tuning fork ....... I think I'll opt for the tone of "om"

  4. I have experienced getting stabbed as an Oriental and beaten to death as either an African American or their master. Both experiences were brief and unpleasant but the realization that I was physically with my body in those other locations was too cool for words. They happened to me after my first epiphany when I guess my consciousness was trying to find the right glove and time frame to get back into

  5. point Fawzo :clap:


    1 John 4:1 CJB Dear friends, don’t trust every spirit. On the contrary, test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    I can't argue with that verse Pastor Dave and I have a very stringent set of criteria I use to test the spirits. Sorry to say but the Bible doesn't pass my test. I use a scale. On one side for every true, loving compassionate act and teaching I place one golden grain of sand, on the other side for every vain, jealous, vengeful angry insecure untrue act I place a grain of normal sand. Sad to say when testing the Bible I ran out of grains of normal sand and it bent my scale ; )

  6. Nothing in those 3 verses indicated a third death? We can only perish physically and spiritually, there's not a third option (cats aside). "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28). A&E sinned and died spiritually when the Tree of Life (Christ) was removed from the garden. Those outside of Christ are spiritually dead, your either alive in Christ or dead to sin. Physical death comes first, but technically, you don't spiritually perish until after judgement.

    Dan you can't be a little dead it is like being a little pregnant. Adam and Eve died Spiritually first according to you "in that day" in the garden, and also according to you we are all Spiritually Dead now before we accept Christ. So Spiritual death has already occurred and as I have stated was the 1st death. Physical death is the second death and it seems you are conjuring up this 3rd death to try and scare folks, because logic dictates that one can't die Spiritually twice.

  7. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8)

    "For thou (Satan) hast said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven. ... I will be like the Most High'" (Isaiah 14:13-14)

    "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41)

    Dan if I'm not mistaken when people in the past have mentioned that God was not truthful when he stated "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Gen 2:16-17 (ESV)

    The apologetic has been given by I think yourself and few others that God wan't speaking of a physical death on that day but some type of Spiritual death. This then would be the first death. Physical death then would be a second death, so are you telling us now that there are three deaths?

    I don't think anyone could find any reasonable scriptural evidence within the pages of the Bible no matter how they twist things to justify the concept of three deaths

  8. Tsk tsk tsk, Forgiving sins is what Tiggers (and the Christian God) do best!

    I would argue that yes the God that Yeshua served knew what true forgiveness was, but the Orthodox Christian Demiurge God associated with the Old Testament who must have every jot and title paid for with by a bloody sacrifice has never forgiven anyone in His life. It seems impossible for the two to be the same.

    In the video Jesus claims that the woman's Love and Faith Saved her. It wasn't her faith in the Bloody Sacrifice of Jesus for that had not happened as of yet. Merely her love and faith in God.

  9. I understand fully what you are saying, I simply disagree. If your god sees a man commit a murder and says, in his best Mel Brooks voice," Murder schmurder what murder ... it's nothing ... go ahead ... what's to forgive ... nothing ... don't worry about it" I say that's a god I don't want anything to do with. It is quite clear that your god is not the same god as my God.

    Methinks your God would be considered much worse to watch millions of gruesome Murders, Rapes and Torture and do nothing about it. Mine is merely watching a play or movie where the participants aren't harmed Spiritually whatsoever. The dream creations of His Son are pretty Nightmarish at times but His Son is not harmed in any manner. The Son will wake up one day and realize he is dreaming and dad was their the whole time waiting for that moment. His dream of separation and Hell was nothing more than that a Dream.

    My God is watching a play while he eats popcorn, yours seems to enjoy actual bloodshed and hell fire while he sits back and relaxes and eats his. I'll get you Dr. Phil's phone number.

    I think here is the crux of the whole thing. You base your understanding of your god on the automatic writings of a person, in the 1960's who, in my opinion, was channeling spirits. This practice has it's roots in the occult. Although draped in Christian terminology the work is clearly antichrist. Reconciliation of the writings of an apparent 20th century medium and the writings of first century Christians is not possible. Although A Course in Miracles claims to clarify or in some cases supercede the teachings of Christianity it's short history and roots in channeling make it, at least for most Christians, a work whos only quality is that it is a prime example of New Age, Antichrist propaganda.

    No I am basing my perceptions of God on actual firsthand experiences. The teachings of a Course in Miracles are merely the closest teachings I have found which resonate with those experiences. So you are against folks who are inspired by Spirits to write Holy Books.....very interesting. ;)

  10. So either you haven't quite reached that state of perfect love or... you are flip flopping again.

    I never have claimed that I have reached that state of perfection as of yet, but I have experienced it on multiple occasions and have no doubt of its existence and that it is the nature of God as I experience him/she/it.

    But here you assume that God has the same reasons to forgive that you do. That is not the case! Human forgiveness makes you feel better about being offended. Whether by relieving your anger or by releasing a percieved debt. When you forgive the complete moronic hothead after that brief moment, who benifits? Certainly not him because at this point he does not know he has been forgiven. You are the beneficiary, because you release the negative feelings the offence may have caused. Divine forgiveness is not about making God feel better about the offense. Divine forgiveness is for the person who commited the offense to be freed from the negative feelings of commiting the offense. IMO God has no need to feel better about the offence but rather wants the person commiting the offence to be freed from whatever is causing them to commit the offense. As far as I can tell you have completly missed the point of Gods forgiveness.

    You seem to not see that with selfless love and complete awareness there isn't any offense to forgive to make one feel better about them self. Perfect Love doesn't place conditions or expectations on its love so it is given freely. The God I know has no need to forgive you since there is no action that can offend or assault truth. Truth and Love remain pure and unscathed by whatever men can think or do.

    God doesn't have to have any blood sacrifice before he can forgive. Jesus did not die on the cross before God could be prepared to forgive mankind. In total awareness God is cognizant of the conditions and reasons of man's behavior since he created them and sets the parameters under which they are allowed to happen. If God did not create them then they are non-existent and merely the illusions of some lost portion of consciousness which is having a bad dream and merely needs to reawaken.

    Jesus did not have to suffer and die on the Cross before God could forgive anyone, yet it does make a very good focal point for individuals to become aware that they are forgiven. Jesus used simple ritualistic Baptism to get the same point across to people. A symbolic cleansing in running water and then told them "your sins be forgiven, go and sin no more" nothing had to die and suffer and no guilt was imparted to the other party in the process.

    The Course in Miracles teaches that "forgiveness" is the tool the Holy Spirit uses to help us awaken and regain the "right-use" of our minds. As long as there is any form of unforgiveness in one's mind, than that mind cannot experience the Oneness that is God and our true selves.

  11. So, you seem to be saying that other religions have a distorted view of forgiveness. My understanding of Judaism is that a person must go to the person he/she has harmed and ask forgivness before they are entitled to be forgiven. In Christianity Jesus tought in Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

    Islam teaches, that the asking for divine forgiveness via repentance is important. In the case of human forgiveness, it is important to both forgive, and to be forgiven. In Hinduism asking forgiveness and performing atonement is part of the practice. Jainism asks forgiveness from all creatures from humans down to plants. I think maybe it is your view of forgiveness that is out of line with the norm. It seems to me that asking for forgiveness must be the precursor to being forgiven, for, if you do not ask for forgiveness you do not desire to be forgiven. BTW John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Is the perfect descripyion of Agape love. I always like to include verse 17 whenever quoting 3:16.

    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    No 1 Corinthians 13 is the best description of Perfect Love. I don't think having to kill your own innocent son to appease yourself for offenses others committed because you're not big enough to forgive them is an act of love whatsoever.

    The guilty offender asks for forgiveness to relieve their guilt that is not the same as "forgiveness". Forgiveness originates from the One offended. "Forgiveness" and the "feeling of being forgiven" are two different things and you seem to have them confused.

    A love that bears all, endures all and never fails and accepts others unconditionally cognizant of the inherent shortcomings designed within those beings needs not be asked for forgiveness because there is nothing to forgive.

    Example: I work with a person who is in a position of leadership and is a complete moronic hothead at times because he doesn't stop to think before he answers a question and is multitasking. Quite often he later has to apologize and ask for forgiveness for his actions from others. Now pay close attention. I have forgiven him after a brief few minutes of thinking of what an arse he was after one of his episodes. No need for him to even ask me he has been forgiven, many times I don't even get offended by the ignorance of others and there is nothing to forgive in my mind. Love forgives without repentance or in some cases even remorse. Sometimes folks don't even know they have offended others. That is forgiveness and is the healthiest and best response from the person being offended. The act of seeking Forgiveness is another Entity altogether and isn't what the discussion is about.

  12. No........... If your referring to Christ, he was not beaten and crucified so that we could be forgiven, repentance is the only criteria required for forgiveness. Justice is a separate matter though, it requires punishment. If such was not the case, God could not be Just or righteous. God is too good not to punish sin, God would be a sinner if He didn't punish sin.

    So God cannot forgive anything or anyone. I think you just made my point.....the Christian God does not know what forgiveness is as I have stated many times.

    So, God's only purpose is to ferret out offenses and forgive them?

    No Bro he doesn't forgive anything. According to Dan something or someone has to suffer and die and atone for every jot and iota. What else could you ever expect from a loving God.

  13. Your idea of unconditional forgiveness acknowledges no offense, so it is meaningless. If there is never anything to forgive in the first place, then your god or One Source has no meaning and no purpose. Unconditional love and unconditional forgiveness can only exist in the absence of justice and righteousness, in which case, God cannot be good. Conditional forgiveness has nothing to do with extortion, and blind love is void of substance. JMO

    Dan can you think of even one instance where it is necessary to have someone tortured and then murdered before you can forgive others. Could you ever call such an action moral?

    My God I hope not!!!!

    Surely a God - One Source or whatever you wish to call it can have a purpose beyond ferreting out offenses and forgiving them.

    That God is too busy monitoring our sex lives to have time for anything else ;)