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  2. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Lessons In Apologetics, Part 1: Introduction & Agnosticism

    Such a shame -- when you can't make Jewish instruments play Christian music.
  3. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Godly Love

    Of course. A Christian without State backed power to be a bully -- is being oppressed. Of course. Fundamentalists maintain the right to regulate slavery -- instead of forbidding slavery -- in accordance with Scripture. So much for Godly morals.
  4. Dan56

    Godly Love

    I don't think Christians in the USA are persecuted, but there is an effort to interfere with what they choose to believe. Remove "God' from coins, the pledge... Remove God from schools, along with prayers... Putting Satanic symbols along Christian ones for the sole purpose of ruining Christian holidays... That's oppression. The minority often insist that since they don't believe what the majority believes, the majority must be silent. The difference between Atheist and Christians is not only belief, but also moral values.. Christians have a set of morals given to govern them, while Atheist are bound by no set of moral authority.
  5. I didn't say there was an original 1000 bc manuscript, I wrote that David wrote the 22 Psalm a thousand years before Christ.. King David was the second king of Israel and and reigned approximately 1000BC.. I didn't mention or suggest that the Dead Sea scrolls were that old. As for the alternate translation, I've heard it before, but I believe the KJV is correct. Think about it; "'they surrounded my hands and my feet like a lion", does that make any sense at all? How and when have lions ever surrounded hands & feet? https://www.gotquestions.org/Psalm-22-16-lion-pierced.html
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  8. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Jediism

    Humor aside, Jediism looks harmless enough. In the world of religion, there are worse choices a person could make. Whether it's a good choice, is a matter I leave to future history. We have to wait and see how it develops. What it becomes.
  9. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Jediism

    The future is not knowable. Still, history repeats. The early Jesus movement was corrupted by the Roman Empire. In similar manner, the Star Wars mythos is being influenced by the Evil Empire. I do mean Disney. 😄
  10. The oldest dated dead sea scrolls, the oldest documents containing the bible at all, have been dated to 480 bce and some(not duplicates, but original text) as late as 318 ce. So...no. Not a specific writing over a thousand years prior. In addition, the original translates 'they surrounded my hands and my feet like a lion' not 'they pierced my hands and feet'. I took your word for the dating and translation until i heard the dead sea scrolls dated, then looked a few things up myself...i wont take your word again.
  11. mark 45

    Jediism

    your referring to rev wayne.he went by a different name for a while,and then disappeared.i do miss him. personally,i see no problem with jediism,or any of it's spinoffs.not sure i agree with some who have embraced"the dark side",whatever that means.come to think of it,we had a member who claimed to be a "sith overlord"or something of the sort.
  12. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Godly Love

    And yet, President Trump ran on that issue. That under his administration, people would say "Merry Christmas". This is something that we need to understand about Christian Dominionists. It's not about piety. The goal is power over the rest of us. Religious power, backed up by the Civil Authorities, is a potent intoxicant. This is why they want their Ten Commandment Monuments -- and their Nativity scenes -- on Public spaces. It's about power. The rest of us need to learn our place -- at the bottom. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations King James Version (KJV) Something to keep in mind, next time you are challenged about the message of the Bible. Psalm 14:1 & 53:1 -- "The Fool says in his heart, there is no God." It's about power. Real power in this world. Of course, Atheists don't get respect.
  13. cuchulain

    Jediism

    When I was on this forum under a different name years ago, we had a member who was a jedi. He was interesting to talk with, though my memory is too poor to remember their name at this moment unfortunately. I watched this video and wondered at some of the things being said, more specifically if those same things weren't said by other people when other religions began. "if it isn't hurting anybody and the basic tenents are be nice to each other, what's the harm?" I wonder if some people didn't have that thought about Christianity or Islam. From my understanding of the history of the church, it started off as a mild mannered religion which promoted peace, like their bible says. Then it evolved with interpretation and branched, and many branches were more like noxious weeds that were trying to choke the life out of everything else. I wonder if a few hundred years from now there will be serious interpretations of star wars that cause the same things, the same bigotry and persecution of others. And of course, the identification of religion as just as mythical as star wars I wholeheartedly agree with.
  14. cuchulain

    Godly Love

    I never understood the offense at happy holidays...it's a saying that has been around in the united states for more than a hundred years, it doesn't have any blatantly negative connotations, it doesn't persecute Christmas or demand that the person hearing it said believe something other than they already do... There I go again, expecting rational thought...
  15. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Godly Love

    You are confused by the Fundamentalist mindset. Possibly, because you expect rational thought. When the Fundamentalist is not allowed to oppress others -- that's them being persecuted. When Gay people engage their Human Rights -- and wed -- that's Christians being persecuted. When we have rule of law -- and witches can't be persecuted -- that's Christians being persecuted. When Atheists take their rightful place in society -- that's Christians being persecuted. There is real persecution of Christians in the world. The Copts of Egypt are facing genocide. The Christians of Iraq and Afghanistan are being murdered. The Government of China is relentless in the crushing of "Unauthorized" Christians and "House Churches". None of this concerns American crybaby Christians. They would much rather get hysterical about the War on Christmas. You know. When people say, Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Oh, the horror. The Horror.
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  17. cuchulain

    Godly Love

    I think it's ironic that the deistic view demonizes atheists in an attempt to "cast us out", castigate us, make us into lesser beings who are somehow lacking...and then decry that we have no morals and are evil to others. It's like they simply project what they are doing to us, onto us as if we are doing it to them...when the reverse is true. I had a debate on a local board with a Christian who insisted he was persecuted, yet for the life of him he couldn't answer how. He couldn't name one single instance, even though I repeated the question over and over, but he insisted it was true that he was a persecuted Christian. I don't think they understand that when you do something to another group, it's not you that's persecuted but rather it's you that's doing the persecuting.
  18. I don't believe in that. If you can prove that a soul exists, I will reevaluate that.
  19. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Lessons In Apologetics, Part 1: Introduction & Agnosticism

    Exactly my point.
  20. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Godly Love

  21. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Godly Love

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzY2NlGPe3A
  22. You seem to be under the impression that I care about your opinion of me...... I don't. Your angry retorts just demonstrate that you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation. I've noticed that every time you lose a debate/argument, you resort to name calling and insults. I understand your frustration, but your remark "I have an even lower opinion of you' is getting redundant. I haven't responded likewise because I don't need to stoop to childish comments or temper tantrums. Perhaps that's a notable difference between Christians & Agnostics?
  23. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Lessons In Apologetics, Part 1: Introduction & Agnosticism

    I'm amazed. I didn't think that my opinion of you, could possibly be worse than it already was. I stand corrected. Now, I do think even less of you. With a little effort on your part, My opinion of you might drop again. Care to try?
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